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Old 21-12-2022, 11:39 PM
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We have very different builds Gem....
I figured your arms were long because you pull a good deadlift but not such a great bench... typical gorilla arms. Guys with T-rex arms have a great bench. It's true you have to be stronger pound for pound to move the same weight further, but where muscle connects to bone also make a huge difference. Could challenge him to a grip test just for fun. I beat my peers at grip strength and they are advanced trainers 20 years younger with bulging muscles. I told them it's because they don't deadlift enough and they use straps on light weight. Most are just lifting to look good. I also hear them say to their clients that they will get them some straps because 'I don't want grip strength to be the limiting factor'. For me, if grip is the limiting factor I program Farmers Carry, Reverse Curls, Max Dead Hang etc. It's not like these clients are training for 1RM and doing insane heavy rack pulls of anything, so there is no reason for straps. If grip is holding them back, then train grip. Imagine not training the weak point! Than makes no sense at all. Having strong grip also means you are strong all over.
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Old 22-12-2022, 10:23 AM
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I was just looking at my old research articles I put out in my fitness newsletter, and I found this one, which is a really in depth break down on training for new lifters. It's geared toward personal trainers, so probably not this audience but i thought what the hell... might as well rework it a bit and post it here.

Periodised training for new lifters

What is periodised training?

Since biological adaptations to exercise follow a predictable time course, appropriate future training can be accurately forecast. Thus, long-term training goals can be achieved by pre-planning progressive exercise variables that elicit the necessary biological adaptations for the goal. Adaptations to exercise occur gradually over a long time, so a long-term training-plan (called a macrocycle) spans a few months or more. Periodised training involves breaking a macrocycle into a series of shorter training phases called mesocycles, each of which lasts a number of weeks. Mesocycles are further broken down into weekly training plans called microcycles which consist of scheduled training days.

The training cycles are summarised below:

· Macrocycle: Long-term period of training (few-several months)
· Mesocycle: Medium-term phases of training (a number of weeks)
· Microcycle: Weekly training consisting of scheduled training days

Research on novice lifters

Research on experienced lifters shows that periodised training outperforms an unplanned approach for trained individuals, but the data on hypertrophy and strength gains in novices is less clear. The research measures muscle and strength gains but does not directly address other important novice concerns such as exercise skill, mobility, stability and coordination. This article considers the specific needs of new lifters and explains why novice programs should be periodised.

Why should novice programs be periodised?

Novices benefit most in the long-term by initially undergoing a General Physical Preparation (GPP) macrocycle. GPP conditions them for the hard training they need to achieve any future fitness goal, no matter what that goal might be. New lifters will gain muscle and strength regardless simply by lifting regularly, so periodising for muscle and strength gains is not necessary when training novices. They will grow muscle and strength no matter what they do.

Muscle and strength gains aside, A GPP macrocycle should accomplish the following things:

· Exercise skill: progression from easy-to-perform exercises to complex compound exercises
· Mobility: establish full range of motion under load
· Conscious coordination: Improve body awareness or mind/muscle connection and smooth coordination under load
· Neuromuscular efficiency: increase ability for deliberate, hard muscle contractions
· Symmetry corrections: strength and mobility asymmetry and posture correction
· Habituation: establish long-term training consistency

How should novice training be periodised?

The Macrocycle

The novice macrocycle (or GPP) is broken into 4 progressive mesocycles each of which lasts a minimum of 4 weeks. The full macrocycle would last anywhere between 16 weeks and a year or so, depending on athletic history, past injuries, age and other individual factors.

Progressions

The novice GPP macrocycle is characterised by 5 primary progressions:
  1. Easy isolation lifts to complex compound lifts
  2. Many different isolation exercises to fewer compound exercises
  3. Light intensity to heavy intensity
  4. Many reps per set to fewer reps per set
  5. Low set volume (number of sets per exercise) to high set volume
  6. Low workout frequency (number of workouts per week) to higher workout frequency
The final mesocycle is programmed first because it entails the fitness skills and strength and muscle goals of the progression. This includes barbell lifts and difficult compound accessory exercises such as pull ups and barbell rows. Planning backwards from the goal is what allows the steps leading to it to be progressively organised. By the end of GPP, Novices should have become skilled gym users accustomed to long-term training consistency and capable of proficiently performing barbell lifts and accessory exercises at high intensities. This strength, knowledge and skills base enables trainees to go on to achieve any fitness goal that they desire. It sets them up for success.

How to organise mesocycles for GPP

Mesocycle 1

A novice starts with the simplest exercises. Isolation exercises are easy to perform, and because they only move through one joint at a time, they are perfect for systematically establishing full range of motion through each joint individually. Isolation exercises are ideal for enhancing mind/muscle connection and generating deliberate hard contractions because it is easiest to focus on and consciously control single muscles. Using single muscle groups and joints in isolation also reveals strength asymmetries and mobility restrictions which can be corrected in the next mesocycle. Using isolation exercises at low intensity and high reps minimises injury risk and initiates the strengthening of muscle, tendons and ligaments in preparation for future higher intensities. High rep counts and no rests enhances workout endurance (fitness) and provides many repetitions for consciously controlled movement practice and repeated hard contractions.

Beginners benefit most from full-body exercise routines. Since isolation exercises only work one muscle group at a time, many different exercises are required to work the whole body. Due to such a large number of exercises (14), only 1 warm up set (10 reps) and 1 working set (20 reps) can be performed within a reasonable workout time. Novices do not need much volume to elicit adaptations, and more sets than this do not elicit more rapid gains.

Mesocycle 1 should have a training-frequency of 2 or 3 times a week to ensure adequate training dosage and skills practice while allowing recovery time between bouts. This mesocycle is characterised by full body workouts consisting of several isolation exercises performed at low intensity (light weight), high reps, and low set volumes. The desired adaptations should take about 4-6 weeks.

Mesocycle 2

The second mesocycle focuses on correcting posture and the mobility and strength asymmetries identified during mesocycle 1. Exercise dose and intensity are also increased to ensure continued adaptations.

It is important to undergo corrections prior to incorporating higher intensity compound exercises to minimise injury risk and ensure balanced load movement during the following mesocycles.

Mesocycle 2’s corrective focus prevents setbacks to future training. Progression can be significantly hindered (especially by injury) at later stages if posture and strength corrections are neglected at this stage.

Poor posture, strength asymmetry and mobility restriction are often interrelated and can be addressed collectively with the right exercise. For example, hunched shoulder posture restricts overhead mobility and is usually caused by strength asymmetries between muscles in the front and the muscles of the back. All three concerns can be resolved by rectifying these strength asymmetries with appropriate exercises. Left-to-right mobility and strength asymmetries can be corrected by using unilateral exercises (one side at a time).

By the time mesocycle 2 commences, the trainee will have adapted to the exercise dose in the first mesocycle. A higher dose of exercise will now be required for continued muscle and strength adaptations, and heavier loads should be used in preparation for the higher intensities that are pre-planned for mesocycles 3 and 4. Heavier loads imply fewer reps per set, so the number of sets-per-exercise needs to be increased to keep exercise dose high. Doing more sets per exercise takes longer, so fewer different exercises can be performed within a reasonable workout time. Hence, isolation exercises are replaced with simple compound exercises to ensure all muscle groups continue to be worked at doses that ensure continued adaptation. For example, leg extensions that isolate knee movement could be replaced by box-step-ups, which are unilateral, and move both knee and hip while activating balance through foot integrity and core stability. Training dose could be further increased by splitting the program into into lower-body and upper-body days, which allows for a frequency of 4 sessions a week while still allowing adequate recovery between bouts, but a 3x full-body routine is better for general exercise fitness, and 2x full body is enough for continued adaptation.

This will be about 12 exercises, 45 seconds rest ,1 warm up set and 2 working sets per exercise. Rep range 12-15.

The second mesocycle focuses on symmetry corrections and increased work load with workouts undertaken 2-4 times a week. The routine includes unilateral exercises performed at higher intensities and set volumes compared to mesocycle 1. The desired adaptations of this mesocycle generally take 6 to 12 weeks depending on individual needs and workout frequency.

Mesocycle 3

Having achieved significant strength increases and made the necessary physiological corrections during mesocycles 1 and 2, the trainee is primed to move heavy loads safely. Mesocycle 3 incorporates more complex compound movements using dumbells at increasing intensities to optimally accelerate strength gains. Higher intensity means fewer reps, more sets and longer rests, so fewer exercises are possible in the workout time. Frequency should be 3-4 days a week if possible, but 2 workouts per week will elicit continued adaptations.

This will be about 10 exercises, 1 minute rest, 1 warm up set and 3 working sets per exercise. Rep range 10-12.

Mesocycle 3 involves learning advanced compound lifting methods, establishing control over heavy loads and building strength to prepare for heavy barbell lifts planned for mesocycle 4. The desired adaptations should take between 4 and 12 weeks depending on training frequency, athletic history, age and several other factors.

The 4th and final mesocycle

By the beginning of mesocycle 4, the trainee should be able to move relatively heavy loads using compound movements through full range of motion with stable, coordinated control. This skillful ability enables mesocycle 4 to incorporate barbell back squats, deadlifts, bench press and barbell overhead press along with numerous advanced accessory exercises. These are technical lifts that require the controlled exercise skill and strength gained in previous mesocycles. The lifts should be performed at increasing intensities that match the fast strength gains of new lifters. Accessory exercises help to keep exercise dosage high. Set volume is high (4 sets per exercise) and rests between sets is 2 minutes, so only a few exercises can be performed within the workout time.

This would be 3x week with about 8 exercises, 2 minute rests (for barbell sets), 1 warm up set and 4 working sets per exercise with intensities that allow at least 6 but no more than 8 reps.

Adaptations should only take 4 to 6 weeks since the underlying skill-set of combined muscle use, control over movement of weight, correct postures, exercise form and full ranges of motion were already established in the previous mesocycles.

Results of the GPP macrocycle

In keeping with the (fast) rate at which beginners’ adaptations to exercise occur, a GPP macrocycle could be expected to take anywhere between 12 weeks and a year or longer depending on individual circumstances such as age, mobility and training frequency.

By undergoing GPP, trainees are habitualised into consistently working out, and physically conditioned for hard training. Most will be pleasantly surprised (and probably amazed) by their progress, and will approach future fitness goals with know-how and confidence.

Enabled by their strong physical condition and advanced exercise skills, trainees can go on to achieve any fitness goal including fat-loss, strength, hypertrophy or any number of fitness and/or athletic endeavours. Future training will depend on individuals’ respective goals, and new, individually tailored macrocycles should be designed to achieve them.

Anything’s possible.

Concluding points
  • Periodised training outperforms an unplanned approach
  • Training for beginners can (and probably should) be periodised
  • Beginners’ programs are periodised for different reasons than those of advanced trainees
  • A beginner’s macrocycle should focus on general physical preparation and not be specifically specialised
  • Once GPP is complete, specifically specialised macrocycles should be individualised according to the trainee’s goals
Sources

Baker D, Wilson G, Carlyon R. Periodization: The effect on strength of manipulating volume and intensity. J Strength Cond Res. 1994 Jan 1;8(4).
Boutagy, T. General Physical Preparation. Boutagy Fitness Institute.
Buford, T.W. et al. A comparison of periodization models during nine weeks with equated volume and intensity for strength. J Strength Cond Res, 2007 Mar. 21(4).
Fleck S.J. Periodized Strength Training: A Critical Review. Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research. 1999 Feb 13(1).
Helms E. Intro to Periodized Resistance Training, Part 1. Mass Research Review. 1(3).
Rhea MR, Alderman BL. A meta-analysis of periodized versus nonperiodized strength and power training programs. Research quarterly for exercise and sport. 2004 Dec 1;75(4).
Zourdos M.C. Comprehensive Program design. Mass Research Review. 1(5).
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Old 27-12-2022, 07:31 PM
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Gem I have a question for you regarding knees over toes..

I’ve always been focused on keeping knees over toes in most movements.

This question arose in me mostly because I’m trying to strengthen my knees, so curious what your take on this is?

Thank you ��


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Old 27-12-2022, 09:24 PM
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Just for fun I pulled up my old APF total from the last time I competed.....age 26 I think. (a looong time ago!) Body weight.....194 (198lb class)
This is the best I ever did.....

Squat........540.1
Deadlift.....578.7
Bench........316.6

Total 1435.4

Guys at the top of the chart in my class were benching 380 to 400lbs plus.....so as mentioned, my bench was never amazing....but guy's really perked up when I stepped up to the deadlift bar!
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Old 27-12-2022, 10:12 PM
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Having strong grip also means you are strong all over.

I agree completely! I have never used lifting straps and have one hell of a grip!
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Old 28-12-2022, 04:35 AM
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Squatting down, the knees are suppose to go forward past the toes, and the nutty modern people who say don't let your knees go past your toes are wrong. Therefore the feller in the video is right. Human biomechanics have evolved so the knee goes past the toe in all the things like he says.

His first exercise, Reverse Step Up, is a great drill for 'knee stability', but you have to understand the stability of the knee depends on foot stability and hip stability. If the foot isn't stable the ankle will collapse in and the leg will rotate inward at the tibia (shin bone). The counter movement, external rotation of the leg, is done by muscles in the hip. Hence, when you do a reverse step up, you'll be able to feel how the big toe works to keep the foot steady, as exerting the muscles to press the toe is how the arch is held up. Having a solid arch prevents collapsing at the ankle, which prevents the internal rotation of the tibia, which prevents the knee cave inward, which prevents the internal rotation the femur that makes the external rotator muscles of the hip become lengthened and weak. Hence my clients works all the aspects of the leg as a system because if the feet and hips are not stable, then the knees cannot be stable.

The reverse step up is a great stablizer (we do this from standing on a low step). The motion needs to be slow and controlled, and if you keep the knee moving solid and smooth, without wobbles and such, you'll be able to feel how the foot works (the big toe should be gripping into the ground), and it should start to burn just behind the hip joint as the external rotators stablise the movement at the hip. The quads will start to burn, of course, because they are the prime movers.

The knee will naturally cave inward toward the middle just a little because the leg wants to work in the central plane of balance, so the upper body has to be straight, rigid and immobile with fists closed, elbows straight and, like you're pushing fists down toward the floor. You'll feel how pushing down creates rigid tension in upper torso. Then, since you're not moving the upper body and arms to adjust balance, all the stability has to come from the integrated physiology of the leg, and the movement should go slowly and smoothly and controlled, without wobbles or instability anywhere (foot will start working hard to keep the rest in a smooth line) - then you just time it with breath in going down and breath out coming up, and be totally zen with the burn.

So lots of bla bla bla to say that Reverse Step Up are done with slow controlled motion keeping upper body still, fists closed, arms straight, like pushing fists toward the floor. It's good to hold a couple of light dumbells just to have something to grip in your fists.

His split squats are good. Excellent explanation of progression on the steps. (Same story with upper body rigidity).

Walking backwards, and actually pulling something backwards (reverse sled pulls), is really good. Walking sideways also good, and so are side step ups.

Sissy squats are fine. It's for body weight. No good to load.

Pain free threshold is correct. Muscles should burn, but joints should be pain free.

He's correct about ankle mobility. We usually find that people who can't squat properly have restricted ankle mobility. I actually start working ankle mobility from day one so that when we start barbell squats, say, 4 months later, we don't have these mobility problems getting in the way of progress.

He's right about assessing strength and mobility one side at a time before doing big compound drills like squats

Even though he doesn't explain foot stability and hip external rotation, This guy is brilliant. You can tell he's spent a decade on it and has done his research. He knows what he's talking about and I picked up a couple of tips from him.

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Oh thank you.

I felt he was sound so you’ve confirmed things for me and some.

So a split lunge is knee over toes, which is why I’m confused..

Which is fine for that movement ? But you wouldn’t restrict yourself to just that movement but rather see it as one form to developing a greater range of motion he’s showing?

I can do that full range he’s modelling and noticed the right front hip flexor is quite tight, so I see it’s gojng to be supportive to the right knee and lower back which I feel is connected to this right leg issue I’m having.
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Oh thank you. So a split lunge is knee over toes, But you wouldn’t restrict yourself to just that movement but rather see it as one form to developing a greater range of motion he’s showing?


The split squat he is doing is fine, and it has a bigger range of motion than the kind of split squat I posted earlier in the thread. The earlier one more mimics the walking lunge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQNktxPkSeE... so they are different ways to do split squats, and I actually use both with my beginners when they get to their 'posture and symmetry'. The simple one leads to all sorts of movement, an the one he does is mostly for full range of motion through knee and ankle. Both equally important I'd say.

The regular split squat I posted earlier progresses into thew Bulgarian split squat by elevating the back leg https://www.youtube.com/shorts/uODWo4YqbT8 and I'll link some more diverse movements a bit later in the post.

His split squat in your video is a slightly different thing, but it has some advantages of its own, athletic reasons, better range of motion, better mobility, and after watching his video, I feel like doing his version for my next 'mesocycle'

There are lots of different ways, and they all have their own advantages.

I have clients do the normal split squat as I first posted, and also the one in your video with front foot elevated on a step when they commence their 'corrections phase'. Pure beginners just step up onto a box for the first mesocycle, and the lunges come after that. The third stage is a plain walking lunge and a reverse lunge, and later, after GPP is finished, if the athlete has sports and general fitness goals I use all of these lunges for different reasons, or I can rotate them in different mesocycles. When an athlete gets used to one I can switch it for another https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE5Ck098pqE. Then we get a bit more dynamic and athletic so we start incorporating the natural running arm movements, and I put two exercises together like cable pull down with reverse lunge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaiD2vs8g1o, forward lunge +triceps extension https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-5s7fhmdnQ, side lunge with trunk rotation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBVQev5xPsIand and so forth.

I think for now, his split squat and normal lunge split squats are fine for maybe 6 weeks or longer to really stablise the motion, then walking lunges and step back lunges for a few weeks , then some fancier ones with more athleticism like stepping up and raising a knee up, and then some combos you can always get creative with. There's just so many ways to use a lunge pattern because it's a primary movement of the human body.

You notice some the knee goes past the toes, and some it doesn't... so there's no real rule for that... it's just some will naturally push the knee forward and some will not.

A couple of variations is enough for maybe 8 weeks, and when you get used to them, switch them for 2 new variations.
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Thank you for the info and videos, your such a wealth of knowledge.

I’m mapping together a real package of lower body workouts and I am focused strongly on perfecting correct posture, balance and stability of each, before taking it further along. Just that one shift has made my workouts more enjoyable.



building the confidence in each movement with ease, tends to naturally move me, onto another, without too much burden on over achieving and moving to fast.
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building the confidence in each movement with ease, tends to naturally move me, onto another, without too much burden on over achieving and moving to fast.
Exactly

Yep it's all in the mind being aware of and controlling everything, and remaining calm, aware and focused with the burn.

Starting with the simplest, getting it perfect, then stepping up to something a bit harder and/or more complex, with all the time in the world.

We learn about the mind, because discomfort brings mental negativity and impatience, but we have to remain in charge an not let negative mentality dictate over us.

Afterward, we always feel glad.
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