The resurrection

[sky]

Originally Posted by Molearner

I assume perhaps incorrectly that other philosophies provide a way to heaven ?

Where is this heaven that you presume other philosophies provide a way to ?

Originally Posted by sky

Where is this heaven that you presume other philosophies provide a way to ?

One would have to ask them if they conceive of a ‘heaven’…..you might be qualified to speak of nirvana perhaps ? Is there similarity there ?

[OmniRedVT]

UTopian D C

Concerning Christ having the answers or not and whether the plan was to stay or not.The New Testament attributes Christ judging Peter the Apostle after announcing that He Christ would be persecuted via the Jerusalem pseudo authorities.Peter mentioned Lord surely you're not going to let them do this to you.The Lord actually called him "Peter" satan because he could not accept what He and the Father had planned.If you study the New Testament you'll see there's a drastic distinction between the Lord's first year rhetoric and His last year which would be the third year of His Ministry.He began announcing His departure was coming soon back then and mentioning things such that he was the Son and God was the Father and the pseudo authorities responses are not what they were the first year.He knew exactly that they would snap antithetically and ultimitely mortally.One passage He expresses that "they "wanted to kill him and they said how could He say that and bam suddenly they were attempting and saying exactly that.Divine knowledge obviously and that was decided long before and didn't Christ tell them that?Not because He couldn't and the Father couldn't divinely handle them yet it would have taken domination beyond the normal precedent.
If that was the plan He would have liberated John the Baptist who was held at Macherus.It's difficult to understand Christ's self sacrificial plan and actually wasn't He very close to Pilate freeing Him?His humanity would have welcomed it yet His plan and the Father's was and is Divine.Anyway your contentions that He was inept at survivalism are bunk being that human pride He threw out the window long before Golgatha.The New Testament reads clearly that Christ deferred to the Father and the Divine plan.If you deepen your understanding I'm certain you'll understand things clearly without human contention that God allows some to understand His Divine plan and its based on genuine effort.Great wishes for truly knowing what for some seems much easier to know.Take care and God bless the blessed!Absolutely no twisted parallels!Absolutely Straight Forward!Gary V. Giardina!This sent before 3:31 P.M. January 30th.2023.

[sky]

Originally Posted by Molearner

One would have to ask them if they conceive of a ‘heaven’…..you might be qualified to speak of nirvana perhaps ? Is there similarity there ?

I don't know what heaven is Mo to understand if there's a similarity to what The Buddha taught regarding Nirvana.

[utopiandreamchild]

Originally Posted by Maisy

We are here then we are not, that's it. Jesus was here as a man, now he is not. Some details don't seem all that important to me.

I think Jesus Christ is dead and gone. If he was an "ascended master" then why is he not here with us walking in the flesh today?.
The Bible says he did miracles and that he overcame death, but he can't be here with us today?, Doesn't make sense to me.

utopiandreamchild

Originally Posted by utopiandreamchild

I think Jesus Christ is dead and gone. If he was an "ascended master" then why is he not here with us walking in the flesh today?.
The Bible says he did miracles and that he overcame death, but he can't be here with us today?, Doesn't make sense to me.

utopiandreamchild

It will make sense if you look up the definition of ‘ascended’…….

[sky]

Originally Posted by utopiandreamchild

I think Jesus Christ is dead and gone. If he was an "ascended master" then why is he not here with us walking in the flesh today?.

So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; it is sown in dishonour, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a 'spiritual body.'
1 Corinthians 15:42-44

[Mora321]

Jesus Christ is the common religious usage but it can be misleading.

Christ from the Greek meaning annointed.

Messiah from Messeh the sacred crocodile whose fat was used to annoint the Egyptian kings.

And in the early 20th century we learn about the Cosmic Christ.

In the Bible, Jesus had been preaching for 3 years in the temple, a closely regulated environment. And yet when he needed to be identified a large amount of money was paid to an informer. How was it the temple guards did not recognise an approved preacher?

[utopiandreamchild]

There's more than just the biblical God out there, the resurrection comes and then judgement day and that's the unfolding of the book of revelation.
The God's will all come down to claim their peoples and then they'll all be judged accordingly.
Judgement Day is universal meaning all things will be there to be judged, both right and wrong.
All things shall be bought to light and nothing shall be hidden.
The entire universe will then be realigned under a single Government which belongs to us as a whole.

That's just about the time God comes out and says, "behold, I make all things new" then we'll all go forward in a righteous unity.
No more wrong, we all vote and Government locks it down, full stop.

We've all learned our lesson, wrong doesn't work for us, therefore let us do all things the righteous way.
Easy, and no biggie.

utopiandreamchild

Originally Posted by utopiandreamchild

We've all learned our lesson, wrong doesn't work for us, therefore let us do all things the righteous way.
Easy, and no biggie.

utopiandreamchild

It would be nice if this were true. Reality reveals that many discover that wrong works very good for them…..