Homosexuality - Rebel Priests defy Pope on Blessing Same-Sex Unions

Originally Posted by sky123

When your days are over and you rest with your ancestors...... definitely the Physical Body....

That is the way I read it. Sometimes though with Hebrew
they have a way of implying and or hiding multiple meanings.

[sky]

Originally Posted by ImthatIm

That is the way I read it. Sometimes though with Hebrew
they have a way of implying and or hiding multiple meanings.

Well I don't mind visiting my Ancestors but I'm not going to rest with them.... till my days are over

Originally Posted by sky123

Well I don't mind visiting my Ancestors but I'm not going to rest with them.... till my days are over

I believe they are setting up a Mountain camp for me to rest in a patch of Wild Mountain Strawberries with them.


I'm way off topic now. I've been in worst places then off topic though.

Originally Posted by BigJohn

From the NIV,

that's probably getting too far off topic to discuss but i used the 1599 geneva bible translation. the popes commitment to celibacy, as an important part of his life and spiritualty, probably plays into his views on things. why is it that none of these catholic leaders can be married or have relations? they clearly have a negative view of these things or else they would be allowed to do them. it's basically, can the pope be married or have relations? no. can the 5,600 bishops in the catholic church? no. can any of the 500,000 priests? no. can any nuns or monks in all of the various church religious orders marry or have relations? no. how about the rest of the world! can they marry or have relations? the church's position is basically, ONLY if it is for the purposes of creating children and caring for them. otherwise it's just a bunch of sin going on! but then the church says we are all sinners!

[sky]

Originally Posted by AbodhiSky

that's probably getting too far off topic to discuss but i used the 1599 geneva bible translation. the popes commitment to celibacy, as an important part of his life and spiritualty, probably plays into his views on things. why is it that none of these catholic leaders can be married or have relations? they clearly have a negative view of these things or else they would be allowed to do them. it's basically, can the pope be married or have relations? no. can the 5,600 bishops in the catholic church? no. can any of the 500,000 priests? no. can any nuns or monks in all of the various church religious orders marry or have relations? no. how about the rest of the world! can they marry or have relations? the church's position is basically, ONLY if it is for the purposes of creating children and caring for them. otherwise it's just a bunch of sin going on! but then the church says we are all sinners!

For about the first thousand years or so, Roman Catholics were allowed to Marry, most of the earliest Pope's are Sons of Pope's...

The Council of Trent is what the R/C Church adheres to....

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by AbodhiSky

that's probably getting too far off topic to discuss but i used the 1599 geneva bible translation. the popes commitment to celibacy, as an important part of his life and spiritualty, probably plays into his views on things. why is it that none of these catholic leaders can be married or have relations? they clearly have a negative view of these things or else they would be allowed to do them. it's basically, can the pope be married or have relations? no. can the 5,600 bishops in the catholic church? no. can any of the 500,000 priests? no. can any nuns or monks in all of the various church religious orders marry or have relations? no. how about the rest of the world! can they marry or have relations? the church's position is basically, ONLY if it is for the purposes of creating children and caring for them. otherwise it's just a bunch of sin going on! but then the church says we are all sinners!

The opening of 1 Timothy 3 discusses the qualifications for positions in the Church.

One qualification for Bishops and Deacons is that they have 1 wife.

What I find amazing with the qualifications is that for Deacons they are found in verse 8, 9 and 10 and then pick up with verse 12 and 13.

Verse 11 seems to be 'qualifications' for women to 'hold' positions, possibly the future, in the Church. It reads: " In the same way, the women are to be worthy of respect, not malicious talkers but temperate and trustworthy in everything."

[Still_Waters]

Originally Posted by inavalan

By the way, Leonardo da Vinci, Michelangelo Buonarroti , Nicola Tesla were celibate, not for religious convictions. Sexual restraint is good for one's mind. Maybe that's one explanation for our world's situation today.

Religions, in their manner, justified celibate with love for and dedication to God, which is easier to accept for the simpler minds.

There are indeed many benefits stemming from celibacy. I am hoping that you will elaborate more on your post. This is getting more and more interesting.

I tend to agree with you but would like to hear more.

Originally Posted by sky123

The Council of Trent is what the R/C Church adheres to....

ah found this from the Council of Trent

ON THE SACRAMENT OF MATRIMONY.

CANON X.-If any one saith, that the marriage state is to be placed above the state of virginity, or of celibacy, and that it is not better and more blessed to remain in virginity, or in celibacy, than to be united in matrimony; let him be anathema.

in other words, the church views a life of virginity or celibacy to be better and more blessed by god than a life in a marriage.

CANON IX is interesting as it basically says only clerics who have solemnly professed chastity can actually perform a valid marriage ceremony(contract).

[Still_Waters]

Originally Posted by AbodhiSky

in my experience, it disappears when one is no longer identified with this animal's body and form. when one is in reality and not the bodies mind.

Matthew 16:17
And Jesus answered, and said to him, Blessed art thou, Simon, the son of Jonah: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

earth worms find other earth worms attractive, goats find goats attractive, simple animal programming. there is nothing "attractive" about a "bag" of organs. pure illusion from accepting the simple animal mental programming. it's really not even difficult to see through, just look without the programming. live our lives without the programming.

some words from 2 Samuel 7:12
proceed out of thy body, establish the kingdom.

That is EXACTLY where I was going: "in my experience, it disappears when one is no longer identified with this animal's body and form. when one is in reality and not the bodies mind."

[Still_Waters]

Originally Posted by AbodhiSky

in my experience, it disappears when one is no longer identified with this animal's body and form. when one is in reality and not the bodies mind.

Matthew 16:17
And Jesus answered, and said to him, Blessed art thou, Simon, the son of Jonah: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

earth worms find other earth worms attractive, goats find goats attractive, simple animal programming. there is nothing "attractive" about a "bag" of organs. pure illusion from accepting the simple animal mental programming. it's really not even difficult to see through, just look without the programming. live our lives without the programming.

some words from 2 Samuel 7:12
proceed out of thy body, establish the kingdom.

Once again I love what you are posting, especially the final quote: "proceed out of thy body, establish the kingdom."

That doesn't even require physical death as "the kingdom of God is here now". "thumbsup: