Doesn't it make you wonder why you have so little to say and explain? I provide reasons for my opinions and explain quite a bit, I don't just have opinions, I also need to know why I have them and whether they are correct, and say why I have them or where they come from. I also notice it is getting repetitious...
And wow... I don't think I've done one this long before, anywhere...
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Originally Posted by Podshell
You brought that up as if the acid would deal with the problems.
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No I didn't.
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Of course but it is an indiication that that some peoples stomachs cannot digest as well as others.
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You said that pills and drugs go through the system without being digested. I said the pills and drugs are designed to be hard to digest... as many are.
And those who take pills, they are sick in so many ways anyway.
But the most important is that no one should be taking pills in the first place... Thus this pill point is of no relevance here. Pills and drugs are not food.
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No you do, you have experimented for twenty months on that particular diet, on mine it has been about fifteen yrs plus even periods before that.
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And you made up your mind based on short-term effects and too little knowledge regarding all this. Plus the dieting you began practicing, it makes later discoveries and realizations very hard to come, because avoiding eating meat creates, among other issues, vitamin B12 deficiency. A vitamin crucial to thinking and effective brain activity. All the experiences that you had later you viewed through those initial conclusions made from too little awareness, accompanied by B12 and other deficiencies. And you're still holding the same opinions years later?
That you haven't figured it out in fifteen years... Doesn't this make you wonder?
The initial conclusions I have made, and many that came after are in the past, I don't hold many of those anymore, and many others are improved as I've found out more.
I've barely been two years at it, and I know volumes better than you... as has come out.
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How do you know the source is based on short term effects? some are based on many peoples observations and years of trial and error.
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I know because I am aware of people who too were for years meat-avoiders. And then, somehow, they noticed something was not right. They began searching for answers and solutions, thus ended up eating meat (and raw meat eventually), and they saw themselves finally getting better and then back to actual health. Based on what they have to say, and what they have found out through personal experience. Then comparing my own experiences with theirs, and testing it out, finding my own.
Reading, learning, experiencing - patterns emerge.
The people and observations you talk about are also, just like yours, based on those initial low awareness and short-term experiences and effects. Then coupled with the meat-avoidance, you get stuck with those initial conclusions because the deficiencies it causes makes it very hard to get out and move on.
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Imagine meeting your future self who has spent years on a certain diet don't you think you may have something to say, well there will be people out there who have done what you are doing for much longer.
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There are those who've done similar to what I do for longer than I have, for many decades even. I know what they have to say. Some of them, in some things, are somewhat wrong. Just because someone's been on something for so long, doesn't immediately make them right.
Many of them have also tried other dieting ways. The conclusion they make is that this type of dieting I have, is the best one. Because it corresponds to how our bodies are supposed to work. It is the "default" way of dieting. Everything else is wrong to various extents.
The "type" of dieting I have is about so: "giving my body everything it needs in the quantities it needs them and in the forms it needs them, without toxins, as close to it as is possible in current conditions". In other words I do my best.
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Well yes but if you had to do it yourself would you? Is it a cop out to get someone else to kill the animal? For instance if I lived on an island farm I would protect the cows as they give milk which is very nutritious and many products can be made from it, they also provide manure for fertiliser and energy, the males would also provide transport and they could digest the foodstuffs I am incapeable of. So it would be unwise to kill these creatures, I would live off the milk products and what I could grow, if I got desperate I could fish and then at a last resort start killing the animals on the island.
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Of course I would do it myself. But I don't have a herd of animals. Nor do I know how to sail a ship.
But I do have chickens, but for their eggs. And they are young, so years off of killing age.
Milk has negative side-effects. An adult is not supposed to consume milk. After weaning, changes take place regarding the consumption of milk. Plus, chickens are far easier to keep and their eggs are more nutritious than milk (or overall about the same), without negative side-effects (though some cannot tolerate egg whites, but are okay with yolks). Chicken manure is very potent.
Foodstuffs you, a human, are not capable of digesting, are not food for you in the first place. You're not supposed to be consuming them anyway.
Cow's digestive tract is different, they have more than one stomach. They are built to digest grasses and leaves. Humans are not.
But if the cow came closer to its end, or actually died. You wouldn't eat it?
You would fish only if you got desperate? On an island? Really? Fish are a very good and nutritious source of food. And you would only use it if you got "desperate"?
It is far likelier that you would end up on an island without cows, without even chickens, but there are fish...
Fish and eggs are easy to digest and highly nutritious.
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Yes more addictive poisons does not mean the over advertising of meat is right.
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They over-advertise only to get people deeper into the system of self-destruction. This is the reason, not the consumption of meat itself.
The ones behind all this mess wouldn't care less if it was meat or something else. They don't care for what we eat, what they care is how we are. How they want us is impotent things that follow every word they say, and toxins help make us as they want us.
It's not the meat, it's the toxins in the meat. Same with cookies and candies and all the other junk.
The "meat" they advertise, it isn't food. It is a tool of suppression, thus of control.
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I think you are looking at it like vegetarians v meat eaters , I am looking at suffering which covers both...the people eating the stuff and the people and animals producing the stuff...I wouldn't like to be a factory chicken or a sugar plantation worker, given a choice though I would prefer the latter.
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No. You are looking at it like this.
I've said many times there are those who can do well by avoiding meat. But only few people, not many. The same way there are those who can do well by eating only animals, and again only few, not many. The rest absolutely need both plants and animals, if they care about good health.
Also, considering that every single human is genetically an omnivore, such a thing as "vegetarian" or "vegan" doesn't really even exist. Those who do not eat meat are simply "meat-avoiders".
Factory chickens, sugar plantation worker. Why are you concentrating on those? It is obvious those are very bad practices. But that those are bad does not mean the killing of animals for food is bad, or that growing of plants and thus eating the plants is bad. Most humans need both, there is no choice as to what our bodies need. Yes you can choose not to eat one or the other, but with that you are only hurting yourself.
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But that does not tally with our natural diet, ancient peoples did not eat meat at every meal, tribal people don't...and I can bet over all inuits do not kill as many animals as we do and they are doing it to survive.
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Ancient people? Inuits, who go back thousands of years. Ancient people. Ate meat at every meal, those who are still living free and right to their ways still do.
Did you live in ancient times? No you didn't. But what is obvious from the little that has been gathered of those ancient times, is that people were living much older than are today and (also because) they knew far better about health and how our bodies are supposed to work. Since they knew even better than today, they knew exactly the importance of meat.
From the information that is available to us, it is also obvious from it that the less poisoned and the more nutritious the food, the less you will need to eat. I also know this from personal experience.
Cows and bulls are held as "holy" or "sacred" by many peoples. You want to know why? It's not because they didn't want to kill them, it's because they had a highly important role in their societies. For example, the fat of an old cow or bull who lived a whole and very good life, is highly energizing and satisfying. This is why they were so important and so highly regarded, because it was one of their main staples - meat. Even I see how important it is that animals live a good and long life, already from nutritional perspective alone.
Have you ever had the fat, especially back fat, of the beef, and raw? I have... the ancient people weren't dumb, they knew far better, they had far better. And many things I've refound in these times, then later reading over stories of ancient peoples and their ways, and musing over what I've read, accompanied by my own experiences. It all just makes perfect sense.
Ancient peoples ate meat, and not a little bit. Consider at least 50% of their diet meat.
You think killing animals for the essential nutrients they contain is not also for survival? Being sick of malnourishment is no way of living a life.
You want to know something interesting? There was once, long ago, a vegetarian society. Generation after generation. Incas, mayans, in those regions and at least some of those peoples. You know what their society turned into? Ritualistic cannibalism. Karma can be a b.itch... for good reason. And in the end, if no other way, then any meat is meat. Do you want to follow in their footsteps? I certainly wouldn't.
Karma - one way or another you will learn your lessons. Up to you how far you take it.
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Yes but you are trusting your own opinions, I cant think of a similar creature like us that needs so much meat, I cannot even think of a carnivore that needs such an high amount of meat, watching a wildlife programme I recall the commentator saying great whites need a seal every three months to get by on (will have to do a search to confirm that when I get time)
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I wouldn't say "trusting" as it's not exactly correct. Because I keep myself open to anything new that explains what I already know even better and extends my perception. I've improved my own opinions over and over.
Great whites? They live in the ocean...
They take in ocean water all the time - plankton.
They absorb minerals directly from the sea water.
Of course they won't need anywhere near as much through their mouths as do land animals.
Also, the meat almost all humans eat is poisoned and nutrient deficient (factory meat and such junk). Of course they will need to eat so much to meet their bodies needs.
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No it isn't as the banana plant does not die, the banana fruit is meant to be picked and eaten, that is not an opinion it is a fact.
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"because of the taste". Thus, of course it is exactly the same thing!
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You do not know that we have eaten meat for as long as we have existed and no I don't think the eco-system has been disrupted as much as today..what I am talking about is a reason for human beings eating more meat, not the animals that already are natural meat eaters eating it.
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I don't know with absolute certainty, but considering what I do know it is very safe to say with certainty that we have.
Those that are naturally in the wild, eat natural and nutrient rich unpoisoned foods. Humans generally eat nutrient deficient and poisoned foods, thus they'll need far more to meet the needs.
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Well it has as the vegetation we grow has become adulterated and less nutritious so some turn to eating meat or more of it.
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True, but still there are nutrients that are impossible to get in the needed quantities if not for eating meat.
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The advertising by the meat industry brainwashes people into believing they need more meat than they actually do, they sell it for enjoyment rather than need
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Sure, but this does not mean eating nutrient rich and unpoisoned meat is bad.
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not everone does, and if micro-organisms are eaten some are happy in the gut and survive, the ones that die we can say that the deaths are accidental not deliberate as we have to eat something to survive.
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Yes, absolutely everyone does kill every day.
Micro-organisms. Our bodies are under constant attack by micro-organisms that are harmful to us. Our immune system kills them all the time, constantly.
The air we breathe, the food we eat, they always contain micro-organisms, until they meet their end in us.
Sure, you can "survive" not eating meat. But what life is it if that's all you can do - just survive? Our lives are not just about surviving, we need to be able to live and progress and move on to higher existence. We cannot do this if we block the road by omitting ourselves what our bodies need.
One day, if we get high enough, sure, we can not eat meat, not even plants. We won't need any. We'd be killing no one for food. But first we have to get there. And right now, to one day be able to get there, we need meat as well.
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With a much less developed nervous system, I don't think anyone would choose to kill a fellow animal as opposed to picking an apple or two.
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Depends whether it is an herbivoure, frugivore, omniovre, carnivore, whatever else -vore.
Those who'd need what is in the meat of the fellow animal, those would rather kill it than pick an apple or two. An apple does not replace meat, it cannot.
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You or I do not have a ful fund of knowledge but there are obviously bigger funds out there
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True. But I do know and see better than you do. As is evident.
I go after the overlaying, underlaying, or general patterns, the connections, perspective, angles, etc. and use those to determine and see details on my own. In this sense don't really have to know much. Just get the "patterns", and the result is that you begin seeing on your own. Many people bury themselves in learning the details... for years and years, they are wasting their life.
Going for "patterns" first requires thinking on ones own, a lot of thinking, and its fun. Going for details first, and patterns never, is merely following and parroting others and it is so boring.
Though since people are indoctrinated, through schools, etc, to go for details and not look for patterns, so was I. Even in the so-called "alternative" most people still follow, don't think on their or do too little.
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Yes you said I should do some research, I didn't level that silly remark at you, I am always researching , I just see yours as different from mine and something that others could help you with.
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Yeah... bigger picture cannot fit into a smaller one. And smaller picture cannot see how the bigger one truly works.
Well if you research being influenced by old opinions that themselves were based on much unawareness and blindness, then new lessons from the researching are limited.
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Originally Posted by Podshell
One reason we cook things is that it makes foodstuffs paleatable, foodstuffs that we were not meant to eat or rather in large quantities, who eats spuds or carrots raw in large quantities?
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No one is supposed to eat them in large quantities in the first place. To cook them just so you could "shovel" them down your throat... is ridiculous.
And just because you don't notice the negative effects as well when cooked, doesn't mean there is none. You would notice the negative effects if you lived 100+, but wait... you won't because you ate them cooked your entire life in large quantities... That's right. Cooking cuts decades off an individual's lifetime. Because of the harm it subjects the body to.
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True I believe the stomach will adapt but only to some degree
I eat some raw stuff and don' overcook foods.
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Our stomachs are designed to digest raw foods only. It's the cooked foods the stomach has to adjust to. And once adjusted to cooked foods since birth onward, and then switch to all raw, there obviously has to be some adjustment, which takes a few months at least, to get back to the correct state it's meant to be in.
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you seem to pick and choose what karma is temporarily ending up in the body of an animal that is to be eaten is not such a far fetched idea.
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I don't pick and choose what karma is. I've said the same thing about karma here from the beginning since you brought it in.
And now you showed that you really have no idea what karma is.
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So what about the animal bodies being destroyed for meat?
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Animals are different from humans in this. In the sense that their spirit is on a collective level. Till they "evolve" one way or another to a point where individual spirits are formed. Many ancient peoples and their successors speak of animals spirits...
Soul is between physical body and spirit. Upon death, by however means, so does soul eventually "dissolve". Spirit is the eternal part, probably.
Eating an animal who is old and has had a long and happy life. An animal whose time is very near. And the absolute fact that our bodies need meat on this planet in these times in these conditions... What is there not to understand? Obvious is obvious.
I've been explaining myself so much... And you haven't really explained yourself much at all, and in fact have ignored so much of what I have explained. Or is the problem that you cannot understand what I have said? You wouldn't be the first to not understand...
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I do not neglect the body like that
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Yes you do. By avoiding something you do need - meat (eggs, fish, animal flesh, organs).
There is something in meat the body cannot get enough from elsewhere - vitamin B12. It is essential for the brain and nerves. You won't be able to think much or well without enough of it. And thus you won't be able to say much... You have already demonstrated difficulties in thinking. You have B12 deficiency.
You are neglecting your physical body. And you are the kind who cannot skip or bypass the physical body's needs to get to a higher level.
Would be great if you saw this yourself, but if not then not.
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I know the damage I caused myself by eating meat, the present problems are ale related
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It's possible that you caused damage by eating meat. Depends what kind your body needs, and how much it needs, and when it needs it. Wrong kind and/or too much and/or at the wrong time, and you will experience issues.
How much meat the body needs is a lot dictated by how much and what kind of physical exercise you do.
If you don't do much (heavier and physically more demanding) physical exercise, then egg yolks, fish, and animal organs should be the focus, as they contain higher concentrations of vitamins (B12) and minerals the brain needs. Otherwise the protein would be too much, and it would cause issues as the body couldn't use it for anything essential; it would get in the way.
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