You cant change who or what you are ...

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Originally Posted by Rah nam

You can not change who and what you are, but you can change who and what you pretend you are in this life.

I agree Rah nam, in other words one's perception of self changes, but self remains to be the same .

x daz x

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Originally Posted by Black Sheep

Who or what are you? And what does "change" truly mean?

Very interesting question Black Sheep . Perhaps such a question entertains a deeper sense of 'nothing changes' but there is an illusion that it does .

How many guises must one endure before one notices what's underneath such garments .

x daz x

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Originally Posted by TheAshCooper

Aren't we already the people we want to be?

I suppose Ash that it's the old choice scenario again ..

If we can't change what we are, could there have ever been choice to be any different that what that is ..


x daz x

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Originally Posted by revolver

Of course there are things you can change about yourself, so what things or thing are you talking about?.

It's an open question revolver in such a way where it will depend on 'what it is' that one thinks or knows or realizes themselves to be .

x daz x

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Originally Posted by blackraven

God-Like – I think you can change who or what you are. I myself am reinvented as life circumstances have changed and I have changed for the better along with them. Someone who is controlled by something like a substance abuse problem or alcoholism can drastically change just by eliminating those abuses. People can grow more mature, more educated, more spiritual or in the other direction, depending on what they are exposed to. Being a parent I wouldn’t feel comfortable telling my child that be doesn’t have any choice over changing if that’s what he seeks. I feel the ability to change who we are at present is always within our control based on the decisions we make along life’s path. I do believe we come to earth to learn certain lessons, but I don’t believe life paths are predetermined so that we can’t break away from mistakes or bad judgment because of a current emotional or mental state. For me, if not having the ability to change was what I was faced with for the rest of my life, I’d be pretty depressed and find the future to be futile. I strongly feel possibilities for reinventing oneself always exist at all times. It may not feel that way in the midst of chaos, stress, anguish, sadness, poverty, substance abuse, mental problems, etc., but too many people have crawled up from the trenches to persevere in a life that they never thought they’d have. Equally so, some fall from a good place to a place of suffering. I don’t feel though that there is a grand master plan to direct everyone’s life to remain the same.

Blackraven

It's funny Raven, I found myself transforming or whatever word suits throughout my life and as I became more aware of supposed difference, I felt that what I am still remains the same if that makes sense .

As the momentum of such supposed differences gathered speed I remember saying to myself 'in 6 or 12 months' I won't recognise myself or know myself, but throughout the changes I constantly remained aware of self .

It's really perhaps just another facet of self reflecting the same light .

Thanks for sharing your story ..


x daz x

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Originally Posted by wstein

Good to know one can not change or grow. That will save a lot of wasted effort.

Hi wstein .

Cannot the same tree continue to grow and change with the seasons .

x daz x

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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

You are absolutely correct!
Bravo!

And why would we !!? Ha!

On some level Miss H, there is no-one there that could make such a change . lols .

And as for the love of self, your right, who would 'if they could' change such love .


x daz x

[Miss Hepburn]

Daz, I just wrote a friend, yes at 3 am, what a profound statement you made here.

It is as brilliant as "Know thyself".

When we know who and what we are...then we know how wonderful
this statement really is...what a freedom and joy to know we can not change!

It's as wonderful as following the tree to it's seed and to the 'what' was before the seed.
Such a wonderful contemplation.
Wonderful must be the word of the day...*wink*
Thank you. Nice reminder.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by God-Like

It's an open question ...in such a way
where it will depend on 'what it is' that one thinks or knows
or realizes themselves to be .

x daz x

Exactly!
:)
What an example of what I would call 'a perfect contemplative exercise'.
For me, it is a Truth.

[Gem]

A person can recognise how much they have changed with just a little retrospect. People can intend to change, and they set about doing what they have to make those changes. People change in several ways. The develop more insight, hone their talents and skills, escape detrimental situations, overcome adversities, dispell problematic thought patterns, develop healthier esteem, become more contented than they were, more self accepting, cultivate patience and kindness...

People change in many different ways.