Pain-body vs. negative entity

[Amilius777]

Errhmmm

Well yes and no.

Its not like hes damned for eternity. His inner self is like everyone else forever perfect.

I think individuals like him are punished for what they have done. Just because the human body dies doesn't mean the egoic-self dies. The ego is a part of your whole.

Charles Manson will probably suffer but it doesn't mean he can not eventually reincarnate or ascend higher to be purified.

Then again it depends on his choice of what he wants.

[blackraven]

Originally Posted by Juanita

Many people, including some well known Mediums, believe that a negative entity can attach themselves to a living person.....E. Tolle describes the pain-body as if it "was" a separate entity, but of course it is not, it is part of the ego self.....Is it plausible that, through misunderstanding, Tolle's pain-body is the negative entity that some believe in??

Juanita - I'm not going to state whether or not I believe that a negative entity can attach itself to a person, but your post took me to a thought I had. I have noticed lately on the news that after someone can't get off for a crime or his/her explanation of his crime is not persuading the prosecutors/jury, suddenly they change their plea to "not guilty by reasons of insanity". This is an attempt to not be held responsible for what he/she has done or an offer of an explanation that might make sense because nothing else does. Seems like a last ditch effort in many cases as if someone who has no history of mental illness whatsoever, suddenly claims they are mentally ill. I find it distasteful and disrespectful to people that really suffer from a serious mental illness.

So this leads me to my next thought I had concerning your post. I wonder when people are going to start using the excuse that they have a negative entity attached to them that makes them do evil things. I'm sure it's been done before at some point in history. I haven't done any research on it. Just my thoughts for the day. Sorry if I went off subject or took your thread into a different direction. I've been known to do that.

Blackraven

[CrystalSong]

Well for what it's worth I think both happen. Mostly I think we create our own negative energy that follows us around like a little personal black cloud which kinda builds over the years as we feed it with anger, bitterness, disappointment etc.

But I've also ran into cases where whatever the entity was that was attached to the other person it wasn't something they created, in one case it was a passel of ancestors and in another case, well, not sure but it sure seems latched in and its not at all nice and I'm not getting near the thing.

So based on first hand experience, mostly I think we make the negativity our aura.....but sometimes.... it is something from outside us who's not invited or wanted and needs a specialist to be gotten rid of.
There is mental illness also, and that's yet another category, falling under more of a biological heading.

Originally Posted by Amilius777

Yeah he is going to be a horrible spirit when he passes over.

Charles Manson is already a negative entity, he seems very hopeless.

The reason why I believe the whole inhuman evil spirits is because of so much research I have done. There are so many celestial realms, and souls who have never incarnated. And souls and spirits go off and do so many things if they don't incarnate as animal or human.

It seems that some souls choose to never incarnate and act as Angels and join a particular Choir or "Soul-Group" of Angels.- Archangels, Seraphim, Cherubim, Powers, etc.

But some souls and soul-groups have chosen what is called "the left hand path". These spirits are part of an entirely different plane. They usually call it the Negative Energy Plane. I don't know how many levels there are but souls who were SUPPOSE to be angels, archangels etc instead became devils and demons. I kinda hate those words "devil" and "demon" because they are so medieval. But I can't figure out a better English term for a "self-worshiping entity" or "Self-idolizing entity". That is why Beelzebub is a good metaphorical name for such entities. Beelzebub was a idolatrous god in ancient Israel. Its a symbol of "self-worship" over others and God.

I should start a thread on that. There are soul names which refer to a "Soul-Group". We are all a part of one. Negative soul-groups have those names "beelzebub" "lucifer" "belial" etc. Not a specific individual on the Other Side. That would be ridiculous.

Amlius, what kind of research could you possibly do to unearth this info, unless it came from Spirit--which, my dear, I very much doubt.....

Originally Posted by psychoslice

I think old Charlie is just a confused human being, he's true inner Self is no different than your's or mine.

Oh, yes it is..His soul is like a once bright, shiney penny that has been corroded with filth, slime and disease.....

Originally Posted by blackraven

Juanita - I'm not going to state whether or not I believe that a negative entity can attach itself to a person, but your post took me to a thought I had. I have noticed lately on the news that after someone can't get off for a crime or his/her explanation of his crime is not persuading the prosecutors/jury, suddenly they change their plea to "not guilty by reasons of insanity". This is an attempt to not be held responsible for what he/she has done or an offer of an explanation that might make sense because nothing else does. Seems like a last ditch effort in many cases as if someone who has no history of mental illness whatsoever, suddenly claims they are mentally ill. I find it distasteful and disrespectful to people that really suffer from a serious mental illness.

So this leads me to my next thought I had concerning your post. I wonder when people are going to start using the excuse that they have a negative entity attached to them that makes them do evil things. I'm sure it's been done before at some point in history. I haven't done any research on it. Just my thoughts for the day. Sorry if I went off subject or took your thread into a different direction. I've been known to do that.

Blackraven

Black raven

I follow what you are saying and I agree with it.. It's like saying The devil made me do it.....

..An insanity plea is a very difficult thing to prove and not too many get away with it....

Originally Posted by Amilius777

Errhmmm

Well yes and no.

Its not like hes damned for eternity. His inner self is like everyone else forever perfect.

I think individuals like him are punished for what they have done. Just because the human body dies doesn't mean the egoic-self dies. The ego is a part of your whole.

Charles Manson will probably suffer but it doesn't mean he can not eventually reincarnate or ascend higher to be purified.

Then again it depends on his choice of what he wants.

Amilus, that is a contradiction......if his inner self is perfect, he wouldn't be dammed at all..right? And he wouldn't need to be purified--right?

Originally Posted by CrystalSong

Well for what it's worth I think both happen. Mostly I think we create our own negative energy that follows us around like a little personal black cloud which kinda builds over the years as we feed it with anger, bitterness, disappointment etc.

But I've also ran into cases where whatever the entity was that was attached to the other person it wasn't something they created, in one case it was a passel of ancestors and in another case, well, not sure but it sure seems latched in and its not at all nice and I'm not getting near the thing.

So based on first hand experience, mostly I think we make the negativity our aura.....but sometimes.... it is something from outside us who's not invited or wanted and needs a specialist to be gotten rid of.
There is mental illness also, and that's yet another category, falling under more of a biological heading.

Crystal Song---why would a passel of ancestors want or need to be attached?..curious...

[CrystalSong]

Not something I should talk about much prolly, as its someone elses story not mine....it had something to do with a soul agreement pre-life to clear a certain very bad habit out of the etheric blood line, this person agreed to do it before entering and forgot, and the ancestors were getting very concerned and hovering closer and closer in their concern that the person wake up, remember and get on with it already before he/she mess up his/her life just as they had with the same issue and it thus gets passed to yet another generation.

*shrug* ...didn't know things like this existed, then again I'm learning just how much I've never known. lol

[psychoslice]

Originally Posted by Juanita

Oh, yes it is..His soul is like a once bright, shiney penny that has been corroded with filth, slime and disease.....

I suppose i don't buy the soul thing, I see only our true Essence, or pure Being, and that is what I see in someone like Charlie, or even Hitler.