Esoteric Whisperings

[hazada guess]

Brilliant post zorkchop,I really relate to that post. I hope you realize that I am an eager spiritual student and can see what stage I am at.

[zorkchop]

hazada guess …

A commendable perspective, hazada guess. On you go.

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[zorkchop]

1-17-23B …

Yours to consider …

Data gathering tends to keep the individual at the same level of understanding. Though they may glance at “more advanced” data … they most likely will dismiss it in preference for what coincides with what they already know and accept.

Through schooling and popular interaction … we have all be almost exclusively taught data gathering for eons … gathering facts and figures for careers and other interactions. There is *nothing* wrong with this. It is necessary within these Lower Psychic Worlds.

It is *only* when an individual wishes to move beyond what is conventionally taught into the more broad and comprehensive levels of Life will that individual become more interested in unfolding into greater understanding and be willing to take the risks to “get there.”

This begins to move one into knowing … and perceiving … from Soul Itself … beyond the mental worlds.


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[zorkchop]

1-18-23A …

Points to ponder …

It is not the learning of more information or data or “secret” information that takes one into the unconventional. It is the learning of another way of perceiving … Life. It is an entirely different approach that does not use the mind / emotions / body as the main tools to understand life around the individual.

Soul Itself does not use the mind / body / emotions to determine what is going on around It.

This is not learned by oneself … since the individual will most always try to accomplish this via the mind … unless shown by someone who has actually accomplished the move into Atma Lok … or the 5th Plane.

Many of the final tests and lessons will be focused at a level few have encountered before. To do it on their own is to make this step more difficult and much longer indeed.

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[lemex]

Originally Posted by zorkchop

Points to ponder

… or the 5th Plane.

Unable to ponder have tried for years and have given up, so requires explanation. 3d is different from 5d. 3d is within 5d. 3d is unable to see higher dimensions. 5d has to materialize in 3d fashion and use 3d to be seen. 3d cannot materialize this way.

5d has been mentioned many times but no one sees 5d. Even 4d is not seen as 4d but is seen as being 3d. We see everything in and as 3d.

Is 5d then spirit centered? Is the spirit you in the 5th and the physical you in the 3d.

Multi-presence?

There is 3d awareness and there is 5d awareness, each level self aware of itself. Each level is aware dimensionally. Reincarnation for instance moves from 3d to 5d and back to 3d repeatedly, so the you was once in the 5th fully.


Meaning 5d talks and communicates with 3d!

[zorkchop]

1-18-23B …

lemex …

First let me state … that any reader of what I am about to offer needs to conclude that it is pure opinion and has no actual basis in reality … feel free to do so …

( I'm probably going to get into trouble on this one )

Most all sets of advanced teachings I have ever come across or heard of … use the word “dimension” to refer to the planes or realms or levels of existence … each differing dimension most often directly coinciding with the structure or physiology of the human state of consciousness or condition … the other half having more to do with the pure worlds that are beyond the Lower Psychic Worlds and are without form and mostly un-manifested.

Many do not consider the different “facets” of the human condition to be distinct in wavelength or structure or level. Rather than understanding that the physical body differs from the emotions … and these two facets differ from the attribute of memory … and these from the two aspects of mind … the mental intellect and the subconscious or etheric … the higher teachings follow these aspects to refer to the dimensions … or planes … or realms … which would be … the physical / emotional / causal / mental / etheric or subconscious … most sets of teachings combine the last two as being mental … and thus comprising a fourth dimension. The “fifth dimension” begins to step beyond the Lower Psychic Worlds and into the Pure Worlds of God … certainly … depending on what “version” of “God” one believes in.

The popular understanding is simply to combine all of the above as one dimension … the physical … since the emotions are felt via the physical body and not as being a different aspect … the memory is most often thought of as past physical events and experiences … the mind is experienced via the physical brain … and so … all is brought into the physical world and simply left as that … one dimension to incorporate all.

As I have said many times before … the mind complicates … and so … off it goes to try and explain what it experiences in life … to waking, dreaming, sleeping, subconscious, altered, you name it … seeing … hearing … feeling … etc. When you are given the basic height / width / depth perception of the physical realm … and throw in time and space … you can come up with pretty much anything you want … and many do just that. It’s a fabulous playground. People can … and do … juggle and argue about it for countless lifetimes.

Being able to “see” this and “materialize” that mostly has to do with how you handle it in the physical plane. Others bring it into “nature” or “geometry” or “physics” or “quantum” or “quarks” or whatever brings their understanding together. Mind can make most anything out of this … and does … bringing in other features as necessary. The 3rd not being able to “see” this or the 5th having to do this-or-that to be seen by the 3rd … is just minds way of analyzing, dissecting, and categorizing what goes on around us.

But the way I always have … and will … use the word plane or dimension again coincides with the spiritual psychology of the human condition … 1) … the physical … 2) … emotional … 3) … causal / memory … 4) … mental … often incorporating both the mental aspects of intellect and subconscious. The fifth dimension steps out and beyond this … it is the true home of Soul Itself … and another “leg” of the journey begins at that stage … to learn what Soul Itself is and is not … and was consciousness is and how to “work” with it.

Since we each interact with life around us via these facets … each facet is in actuality the interaction with these other dimensions all brought into the physical via the nervous systems of the body … incorporating the chakras and other features … and gets incredibly technical and complicated. So all dimensions are represented and felt through the physical body … and Soul Itself is most often contained somewhere in the body … sometimes in the heart … sometimes in various locations of the head … but Soul Itself is unable to actually step into the Fifth Plane until It can set the limitations of the Lower Psychic Worlds facets aside and actually move beyond them. It can leave the body and visit the other dimensions … as It does during dreams … most often within the astral plane … on a nightly basis.

As the old saying goes … the greatest truths are the simplest.

Leave it up to mind to make 50 or 100 out of one or two … but has great delight and adventure in doing so.

This got way too wordy. People will be complaining about too much to read.

Enough said.

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[zorkchop]

1-20-23 …

Perhaps give some thought to …

Most anyone who has walked the path for any real length of time discovers that perfection / purification often comes at the most importune moments … in ways that insult our preferences / demands … and challenge our choice to either rise or stumble.

Truth does not change IT-self to accommodate the individual … but rather … the individual must grow and change to receive Truth as one advances into IT.

We may react with anger, resentment, defiance, stubbornness, resistance, egotism, and even tears … and if finds sanctuary in such stances… we find we have put “unfolding” on pause … and have discovered a hotbed of limitations in the meantime.

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[zorkchop]

1-21-23 …

Some sets of unconventional teachings promote …

The Lower Psychic Worlds (generic term) have tried to convince everyone that all of existence is contained within its realms … but that is incorrect. The Pure God Worlds (generic term) lie beyond. This demand by the Lower Psychic Worlds is a great reason why so much “mystery” is contained and remains in the understandings of the Lower Psychic Worlds.

The Lower Psychic Worlds will not acknowledge anything existing beyond their boundaries. They demand that they contain that all of existence and will not allow for anything to exist beyond their understanding of life and existence. So they demand that all knowledge and understanding be brought down / into their level / boundaries.

One great difference … the Lower Psychic Worlds divide everything into parts … while Life is best viewed as a Whole. Mind divides everything into parts so it can analyze / dissect / categorize everything to make it more acceptable and useful to it.

We spend the vast, vast majority of our incarnations within the Lower Psychic Worlds … and we are trained … literally trained … to believe the above … and towards the “end” of the so-called path … we spend a few lifetimes softening or allowing greater information to work for the individual … that there *are* worlds beyond the Lower Psychic Worlds … and the last few lifetimes are spent in discovering that the Pure God Worlds are true … and learning how to “live” within both worlds and the “rules” and perspectives involved in and with both.

When you step above the Lower Psychic Worlds and begin to deal with Life as a Whole … that does not mean you do not acknowledge “parts” anymore … it’s just that you understand what the “part” is in the Whole of Life … and can use it move beneficially in your understanding. You do not exclusively focus on parts anymore … but understand the parts within the Whole.

This makes little sense to anyone who has yet to step into the Pure God Worlds so that the Whole of Life can be experienced and acknowledged.

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[eezi-ulgen]

Originally Posted by zorkchop

[b]1-21-23 …
One great difference … the Lower Psychic Worlds divide everything into parts … while Life is best viewed as a Whole. Mind divides everything into parts so it can analyze / dissect / categorize everything to make it more acceptable and useful to it.
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Yep, reminds me of putting together a jigsaw puzzle.
Once the whole picture begins to be seen then the pieces go together with a bit more ease.

[lemex]

Originally Posted by zorkchop

We spend the vast, vast majority of our incarnations within the Lower Psychic Worlds … When you step above the Lower Psychic Worlds ... does not mean you do not acknowledge “parts” anymore …

Very profound, yes it does not mean you are not here and is why there is such diversity of consciousness, and levels of differences here being not in one of the many or next world physically. We all are here. It realizes consciousness here involves all levels among Psychic Worlds in this plane. I would take this to be learning. Diversity and differences and level of consciousness and awareness has always amazed me and seemed to be part of this plane. The mind steps above.