Why im a salesperson for the bliss

[barrynu]

Originally Posted by Gem

Actually, QM is basically about probabability and although there is a basic uncertainty, accurate predictions can be made... Just like a universe casino really. We aren't so sure on any one bet, but we can predict the odds with accurate precision. Not exactly random... But yes, by chance.

Yes.We have got the two views brought together here and each view makes sense,so it all depends on where you stand(i think this was mentioned earlier).not this way or that way but just "way"

not sure if im making any sense this morning.but i will try anyway

[barrynu]

Originally Posted by khallianen

Yeah it's peace, joy and love. I've been in a state of peaceful calmness for months and seems to improve after each time I meditate.

Would be nice to have others around me to enjoy this with or even to talk to, but, where I live you either are a born again christian or hooked on heroin/meth. Most of my old friends are either in rehab, prison or dead. Even my wife doesn't understand what I'm going through. She is in the bible carrying(I'm not kidding, has 2 with Her at all times and a app on her phone) christian and gets actually angry at me because I believe Jesus was a great teacher.

As for the peacefulness I feel it does kinda make me wonder considering that at anytime her immune system is gonna go berserk again. Every 10 years this has happened and each time is exponentially worse. 2006 when it hit She was in a coma for 3 months and total time in the hospital was 8 months.

It makes me wonder if I'm being prepared for something. So instead of stressing on anything, I've just been going with the flow and enjoying it.

Thanks for sharing that....its good to share

[barrynu]

Originally Posted by khallianen

I just feel like people are overthinking this trying to be or to attain something instead of just relaxing and enjoying the moment of where they are right now.

Its how we expand,bouncing views and ideas off each other and sometimes our own views can change to encompass other views.It brings change and without change we can become stuck.
Sometimes a good shake up of views is good to get moving even though you thought you were moving......Its all good but sometimes it doesnt seem that way.

[barrynu]

Originally Posted by naturesflow

Conscious energy experiencing itself perhaps?

I love to think about us at this level

[running]

Originally Posted by khallianen

Yeah it's peace, joy and love. I've been in a state of peaceful calmness for months and seems to improve after each time I meditate.

Would be nice to have others around me to enjoy this with or even to talk to, but, where I live you either are a born again christian or hooked on heroin/meth. Most of my old friends are either in rehab, prison or dead. Even my wife doesn't understand what I'm going through. She is in the bible carrying(I'm not kidding, has 2 with Her at all times and a app on her phone) christian and gets actually angry at me because I believe Jesus was a great teacher.

As for the peacefulness I feel it does kinda make me wonder considering that at anytime her immune system is gonna go berserk again. Every 10 years this has happened and each time is exponentially worse. 2006 when it hit She was in a coma for 3 months and total time in the hospital was 8 months.

It makes me wonder if I'm being prepared for something. So instead of stressing on anything, I've just been going with the flow and enjoying it.

Thats how it was for me when i began experiencing the peace and joy. Surrounded by hardcore christians. I have respect for them in a lot of ways but if your talking to them about a kundalini awakening or what have you, its not helpful. Lol

My dreams told me the futre of the things i was going to be doing around that time. One thing it mentioned is i was going to quite my small business i had. Move back to a major city i used to live in. Get a iob that surrounded me among people whom were either drunk or high at work. I am used to being around that but i didnt understand why i was to be in that experience. When i got there things continued in my developmemt and the experience of the intoxicating joy and peace began to stick. I realized life was teaching me that many of us are all looking for the same thing. Joy and peace. And that the intoxicating joy i was experiencing was the same motive they had. Only i left behind my partying ways for the most part to find it through the nervous system naturally drug free. Developing from meditation, and shaktipat. I didnt know about pranayma yet. So i will always have that in the back of my mind cause its not like i have such powerful predictions every day. Lol. That dream full of predictions got my attention, put a shock in me, and opened my mind.

[Khalli]

Originally Posted by barrynu

Its how we expand,bouncing views and ideas off each other and sometimes our own views can change to encompass other views.It brings change and without change we can become stuck.
Sometimes a good shake up of views is good to get moving even though you thought you were moving......Its all good but sometimes it doesnt seem that way.

Yeah, I think I understand this now.

After the exchange with Necro, I felt much better and the 1st time in months I slept for 7+ hours. That was awesome!

[Gem]

Originally Posted by barrynu

Yes.We have got the two views brought together here and each view makes sense,so it all depends on where you stand(i think this was mentioned earlier).not this way or that way but just "way"

not sure if im making any sense this morning.but i will try anyway

Yep, there is the way, but it would be difficult to explain it coherently, it is quite a particular thing, but not systematically as we might usually understand particular things. I does depend on where you stand, yet all views are in part. I read an interesting thing the other day about how a blade of grass can be held in the middle, but it grows from all points at once, without any one point being the centre of the nexus or the source from which growth occurs. There is no place on the blade of grass from which its growth occurs, it just grows. Period. The author went on to discuss the wasp orchid. It is said the the flower mimics the wasp to attract it sexually so that wasp will carry its pollen, but really, there is no causal epicentre of a wasp, which the flower imitates, but a symbiosis in evolution between what becomes both the wasp and the flower, without the wasp or the flower ever being the prior causal form. I wondered what point this author was making, but then it dawned on me that the author himself wasn't writing from a causal point, like a seed from which a tree emanates, and by reading back from the tree one can come to the seed of origin... to the point of his meaning. The author himself was writing as a blade of grass where all points of it were at the same time the point. The point wasn't a point at all, it was more like a field.

[barrynu]

Originally Posted by Gem

Yep, there is the way, but it would be difficult to explain it coherently, it is quite a particular thing, but not systematically as we might usually understand particular things. I does depend on where you stand, yet all views are in part. I read an interesting thing the other day about how a blade of grass can be held in the middle, but it grows from all points at once, without any one point being the centre of the nexus or the source from which growth occurs. There is no place on the blade of grass from which its growth occurs, it just grows. Period. The author went on to discuss the wasp orchid. It is said the the flower mimics the wasp to attract it sexually so that wasp will carry its pollen, but really, there is no causal epicentre of a wasp, which the flower imitates, but a symbiosis in evolution between what becomes both the wasp and the flower, without the wasp or the flower ever being the prior causal form. I wondered what point this author was making, but then it dawned on me that the author himself wasn't writing from a causal point, like a seed from which a tree emanates, and by reading back from the tree one can come to the seed of origin... to the point of his meaning. The author himself was writing as a blade of grass where all points of it were at the same time the point. The point wasn't a point at all, it was more like a field.

I have been thinking about the wasp and the orchid.I used to just think "thats evolution and chance" but now i think that the symbiosis may preceed the wasp and orchid,First there was the symbiosis energy which split to become wasp and orchid and quantum entanglement kept these two together as Insect and plant in the physical world.
Maybe the symbiosis energy?/consciousness?, the wasp and the orchid developed together and grew like the blade of grass.

I watched a Steven Hawking show during the week.He got some ordinary people to try to find the center of the universe using a map of the universe today and one billion years ago and by putting these maps on top of each you can see where everything began..It showed the center moved,depending on where you looked so it proved that the center of the universe is everywhere...The link below will bring you to a tool that you can play with and see this for yourself,its much easier to understand then.

I am at the center of the universe,it is right in front of my nose,everything began and grew from the point in space where I sit now....A scientific fact and a nice spiritual thought.

http://www.exploratorium.edu/hubble/tools/center.html

[Gem]

Originally Posted by barrynu

I have been thinking about the wasp and the orchid.I used to just think "thats evolution and chance" but now i think that the symbiosis may preceed the wasp and orchid,First there was the symbiosis energy which split to become wasp and orchid and quantum entanglement kept these two together as Insect and plant in the physical world.
Maybe the symbiosis energy?/consciousness?, the wasp and the orchid developed together and grew like the blade of grass.

I watched a Steven Hawking show during the week.He got some ordinary people to try to find the center of the universe using a map of the universe today and one billion years ago and by putting these maps on top of each you can see where everything began..It showed the center moved,depending on where you looked so it proved that the center of the universe is everywhere...The link below will bring you to a tool that you can play with and see this for yourself,its much easier to understand then.

I am at the center of the universe,it is right in front of my nose,everything began and grew from the point in space where I sit now....A scientific fact and a nice spiritual thought.

http://www.exploratorium.edu/hubble/tools/center.html

What a cool tool!