The Movie Screen Analogy

[Starman]

The movie screen is all about story telling and the story continues in this world and beyond this world, until we consciously merge with non-duality. Angels and demons in the afterlife, various realms and other dimensions, as well as life on other planets, are all part of the story telling with a screen and a projector. But we can choose to be an observer without comment or a participant in this movie.

We get to that one point where there is no screen or projector; no movie, no stage to perform on, then we have reached non-duality. Even the afterlife has a stage which may be referred to as “realms” or levels of existence. I have often felt in this human movie our attitude is the director guided by our heart, our mind or our senses.
Our attitude writes the script in this eternal moment where the motion picture is being shown.

[God-Like]

How about speaking about life experienced without using any analogy.


x daz x

[J_A_S_G]

Originally Posted by God-Like

How about speaking about life experienced without using any analogy.

Maybe start a thread on that topic?

[MikeS80]

Originally Posted by J_A_S_G

All waves are nothing more than Water through and through, however Water is not the waves. Formless vs. forms. Nondual vs. dual. One vs. many. For nonduality to hold the forms cannot ultimately be real else it's certainly more than One.

The next thing to realize, and is the most important, is that the wave and water is not sepererate, and was never seperate from the ocean. The wave and water are both a metaphor for the physical universe, and the ocean is a metaphor for brahman.

[Goldcup7]

Yes, analogies are useful tools to point the mind towards the truth that cannot be expressed.

The wave and ocean analogy is useful also. It shows the peaks and troughs of duality appearing within the ocean and not separate from the ocean. The interplay of opposites in the world appear within the oneness of Consciousness. It shows the error of labels and concepts. What the mind labels as waves is just the ocean. It's all the ocean. It's all Consciousness. Some say Brahman. Some say God. Some say The Self. It is what it is. I am what I am.

[J_A_S_G]

Originally Posted by MikeS80

The next thing to realize, and is the most important, is that the wave and water is not sepererate, and was never seperate from the ocean. The wave and water are both a metaphor for the physical universe, and the ocean is a metaphor for brahman.

When the movie stops playing does the screen still exist? When waves stop waving does water still exist? One is dependent on the other but not the other way around.

What you posted can be said of the relative but not the Absolute, else when the movie stops playing the screen is also gone.

[J_A_S_G]

Originally Posted by Goldcup7

Yes, analogies are useful tools to point the mind towards the truth that cannot be expressed.

Exactly. All pointers to That which cannot be objectified, and since mind can only understand objects That is beyond mind which means also beyond language. So we are stuck with analogies to communicate That which cannot be objectified, intellectualized and communicated.

Whatever mind can conceive is not It.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by J_A_S_G

...the movie stops playing the screen is also gone.

I'm a romantic. The screen is left alone..as it was before, longing for another
to project himself onto it...to give the screen meaning. But, it is not gone...just alone...again.

[MikeS80]

Originally Posted by J_A_S_G

When the movie stops playing does the screen still exist? When waves stop waving does water still exist? One is dependent on the other but not the other way around.

What you posted can be said of the relative but not the Absolute, else when the movie stops playing the screen is also gone.

The screen always exists, The screen is just blank or empty. What water, would that be, since the wave is not water remember? One being dependent on the other is moving into theism organized religion/spiritual territory.....What happened to non-dualism or one, not two?

[J_A_S_G]

Originally Posted by MikeS80

What water, would that be, since the wave is not water remember? One being dependent on the other is moving into theism organized religion/spiritual territory.....What happened to non-dualism or one, not two?

The analogy is "a wave is Water and nothing but Water through and through, however Water is not a wave". It's a paradox mind cannot quite comprehend.

A wave is Water and nothing but Water through and through - There aren't many waves (duality) but just Water (nonduality)

Water is not a wave - If Water is a wave and since there are many waves we are in duality, hence the waves cannot be real in the context of nonduality.

If I say all the waves are parts of Water then Water has many parts and again that's duality, hence the waves cannot be real in the context of nonduality. If the waves are real that is duality.

I'm trying to think how to apply this logic to the movie & Screen analogy but I can't. Maybe someone else can?