more than 130 die daily

[running]

Originally Posted by AraceliCianna

That is all good and well but what practical use does it have to be somewhat prideful about your own experiences when others out there are suffering and need aid? Better to show someone to the door than just talk about how you already went through that door.

thank you! thats precisely the purpose of the thread. awareness of possibility.

tryed and true practice.

shaktipat. transmission from someone with the power

pranayama.

yoga. no personal experince there but obviously has worked for others.

meditation.

trance.

what one can do is replace the devotion for artificial joy with devotion towards the possibility of opening up to the divine through practice.

for me i spent my adult life and some of my teens partying. alcohol and so on. i already knew about bliss from a kid with brief experinces. but did not know what it was? if it had anything to do with spiritual transcedence.

once i found out. i replaced my partying with practice. my devotion switched. two years later or so became established in 24/7 bliss and 24/7 silence. there is no greater joy. there is no greater peace. it is intoxicating through the body joyfully as the feminine divine current runs through the body making it so. the silence in the mind becomes permenant due to the masculine aspect replaces what was once chatter. creating a permenant peaceful silence in the mind. the brain continues to work. and one can live fine in the great joy as one becomes acclimated to the new normal of continious joy in the body.

until enough people speak up. suffering will never end. speaking up is the a answer. not the problem. knowledge is power. people can think me however they wish. has no relevance in my mind. not suggesting you are by saying prideful. even if you are. has no relevance. what is relelvant is somebody knowing the truth. and acting on it to find it for themselves. which will never happen. tell people speak up. im as loud as i can be.

the potential is for everybody. possibility. no guarantees. but in any case the practices will be good even if one doesnt open that far. a win win.

[running]

also to be clear. i had another reason for devotion. a health issue due to an unknown food allergy. so i should say devotion came from that to.


possibility for all to open to the divine mother. the divine father. reguardless of all the things people are selling as spiritual. devotion is the master key. again even if one doesnt go that far. the practices have shown to help one anyway. win. win.

[ocean breeze]

Originally Posted by running

there is no excuse for not telling the truth.

To avoid being crucified at an early age.

[Uma]

intoxication is not bliss

[running]

Originally Posted by Uma

intoxication is not bliss

perhaps a lack of understanding of the english language. bliss is the divine mother expressing herself through the nervous system. whether one calls it intoxicating or not. it is a fact joy. it is a fact from the nervous system. not an emotion. as it is without beginning and without end.

intoxicating synonyms: heady, exhilarating, thrilling, exciting, rousing, stirring, stimulating, invigorating, electrifying, inspiring, galvanizing

many of those words fit.

if your guru doesn't know this simple truth in addition to not being able to share it with others. i would keep looking. but i don't know your goals..

[running]

Originally Posted by ocean breeze

To avoid being crucified at an early age.

lol. .

[running]

if one is looking for a guru. i would go by experince. what they say is far less important to me. what they are is much more to me. if they through presence or something like that can lift one up then that is real. that is power. raw energetic spiritual power. this happens most often referred to as shaktipat. or whatever it may be called. but just being around one should feel it. assuming one is open enough to it. that is my view. but for me its all about the divine. shakti. and shiva

[Gem]

I think it is best to meet people in the reality of their lived experience just as they experience it because we might speak of the truth as I experience it, but that is not the truth as another experiences it. The difficulty in the issue is coming to terms with the truth as it is in the way you actually do experience it - not as anyone else experiences it. Sometimes the truth as it arises is too harsh for a person to face and it can be quite damaging to force such a truth on a person before they have the fortitude to see it through.



In the meditation, you will observe the truth 'as it is' for you, and cultivatre the conditions which enable people to sit quietly with their real-lived experience as it actually is - but that is not an addiction treatment plan.



It takes a lot to address the addiction issue on all dimensions of the individual's physical, psychological and spiritual well-being; and also their extended life including immediate social support, their social environment/neighbourhood, the society they are part of and its general attitudes, the policy on drugs and alcohol, and the ideals that underpin normalised culture.


I used to be into intoxicants in a destructive way, but I stopped, and you would think by stopping my life would get better, but when an addict gets strung out things start falling apart and everything crumbles into ruins. This happened when I went completely sober. Everything was lost and I ended up with nothing. I was unable to deal with real estate peopl, employers etc, so I ended up homeless in my car not even looking for accommodations, and who was there? Why would I care if a spiritual person was yelling bliss through the car window telling me what I need? Who even bothered to ask me what I needed?


Now I know what you really have to do is sit down and listen, make a safe trustworthy space in which people are comfortable telling the truth, and let them say what it is they need the most. It's probably something simple like a shower - maybe even wash their clothes. Then you will find you are not prepared to give them what they actually need, and start telling them what you think they need, because you think you're spiritual and therefor expert on their life-situation when you have no idea and wouldn't even listen if they told you.


I know I'm not prepared to have strangers over for a shower, for example, and I don't go out of my way to get involved in the complexity of addiction issues beyond throwing a fiver in a beggar bowl, so don't I pretend that I care. Of course I care in a general compassionate sense, but not in a way that I'm going to do anything about it. I don't make a noise pretending I'm prepared to do what it takes when firstly, I don't know how to do that, and secondly, I am not prepared to do it even if I did.

Originally Posted by running

if one is looking for a guru. i would go by experince. what they say is far less important to me. what they are is much more to me. if they through presence or something like that can lift one up then that is real. that is power. raw energetic spiritual power. this happens most often referred to as shaktipat. or whatever it may be called. but just being around one should feel it. assuming one is open enough to it. that is my view. but for me its all about the divine. shakti. and shiva

This is just dangerous advice, with all due respect.

JL

[running]

Originally Posted by janielee

This is just dangerous advice, with all due respect.

JL

based on what? presence is the number one. or shakitipat or so on. words are only for the mind.

with that said i wouldnt suggest following anybody. but oneself. that goes with all things imo.

i didnt say what one says doesn't matter. i said what really matters if one is serious. and its not words. this isn't about learning history. becoming an academic. its about transcedence.