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@MikeS80 post #120
First of all, there is no self to have an experience. Secondly, non-duality is not a teaching, as it cannot be gained or lost.
One can talk about non-duality to realise that the self does not exist. But you do not lose yourself, because it is realised that the "self" has actually never existed to begin with.
And furthermore, you cannot know non-duality, because knowing it would automatically imply that knowledge doesn't exist, just like a physical reality doesn't actually exist. Infact, you don't even need a physical reality to understand that it is not real.
There is the aspect of existence that is aware of itself. I call this the prime duality. It is God Source Consciousness. It can extend itself to infinity, because there exists nothing outside of this God Source Consciousness. So it's duality and relativity is unbounded and unlimitted, as there exists nothing outside of this Prime Duality to limit it. It's self resonance capacity is infinite. It's relativity extends throughout infinity and evermore. This is duality. This is Maya. And because it lends it's infinity and eternity from the Absolute, it can be appreciated for what it is and respected accordingly, being used in such a way to expand the freedom of self as Creator. Or atleast as an extension of Creator. So a Co-creator. Where we can unify physical and non-physical to create the best life imaginable.
But the reason you can create any reality you so desire, is because there is no limit, and physical reality doesn't actually literally exist. So manifesting reality does not imply you are limitted by that reality alone. And thus this can be viewed as a good thing.
But when you insist on understanding non-duality, one has to throw away all relative things. Which implies, you have to throw away all of creation. Including your own creating. As creation does not exist, but you are creating, always, as a consciousness, wether you want it or not, and wether you know it or not, you are always creating. You are eternal creator.
But non-duality has no such thing. Non-duality is the aspect of Existence that has no absolutely no and zero awareness of itself. It merely exist.
So even tho it cannot be experienced or known, you can still understand it, by understanding that existence, without awareness, without change, without becoming, just pure existence, is unique. Because it is the one thing in existence that is without equivalence. As non-existence, by definition, doesn't exist. So existence is the one thing that exists that has no polar opposite, no relativity, no vibration, no frequency, no change, no becoming. NO RELATIVITY. NO DUALITY. No sine wave. No up and no down.
Where as consciousness requires self and other than self, to be conscious and ever expanding and ever evolving, infinitely and eternally. Existence Absolute does not have a self/other than self. It has no consciousness. It just merely exists as existence itself. Not a thing that exists. And since existence has no equivalence or opposite, it is not relative. And it is also the Only thing that exists, that has no equivalence/opposite.
In other words, existence does not need anything to exists. Existence depends on nothing to exists. Existence does not even require the prime duality of God Source Consciousness to exist. And so existence depends on nothing to exist. But everything depends on existence to exist. Including God Source Consciousness, depends on existence to exist. This is why existence is absolute. And when you understand that existence is the ONLY thing that exists that is without equivalence, or polarity, or relativity, then you understand that existence is absolute and it is Unique. There is no outside of it, no inside it, no before or after, no time, no space.
Now, God Source Consciousness also is beyond time/space. But existence itself, goes one step further, and requires not even a self and no awareness. Awareness also depends upon existence to exist, existence depends on nothing to exist, and so everything is relative to existence. But existence is relative to nothing.
And existence is the only thing that is non-relative. It has no equivalence. And so, we conclude that existence is BEING unique. Not becoming unique. IT IS BEING UNIQUE.
Uniqueness is the only thing that it can be. And that is why everything is always Unique. Including consciousness.
So knowing cannot exist, if everything is absolutely Unique without even becoming Unique, without time and space, there is not even anything that it can be compared with. It literally is without comparison, uncomparable. Without Equivalence. Without self/other. Without duality. Without relativity. Without consciousness. It is just being unique.
And that is why everything, as existence, is Unique. Including consciousness. So can consciousness really be defined? No... Because it is always BEING unique.
To the human mind, this sounds like "Oh, so everything is constantly being New all the time!" Yes that is how it appears. We can say this moment is so new, that we cannot even define it. And that will always be true, except the important fact and distinction, that Existence never becomes Unique. It simply is being Unique, in absolute terms. There is thus no time or change. The change is an illusory side effect of misperceived reality. We experience the Uniqueness of existence and call it time and change. There is no time, no change. Existence and its uniqueness is so absolute, that even the one perceiving it to be Unique, is always being Unique, and therefor undefinable. Because it is literally always being "unlike anything else". So it cannot be known or defined. This includes your consciousness and all that you experience within it, and this even includes God Source Consciousness.
It is like everything, always being "unlike anything else." because there literally exists nothing but existence! So from that position, or unposition, even consciousness is an illusion. We call it consciousness because we think we know it. But existence cannot be known. The absolute existence, which is absolute, is the very essence of unknowability. So the highest possible knowledge is that knowledge doesn't exist. And neither does consciousness.
Then you can understand "Oh, so I don't exist either." The appearance of self and time and free will, those appearances exist. And they are infinite in potential, so not to discard consciousness. But the absolute simply has no awareness of self/other. There is nothing but the absolute in absolute terms. It is simply existence, without any "thing" that exists. Just pure existence itself.
Now in a way we can still say "God Source Consciousness" is the indestructable core and essence of all being and becoming. But the difference I am making here, is to save you allot of confusion. So you can understand that in absolute terms, existence is being but never becoming.
So it may seem like consciousness or prime duality is the polar opposite of Existence non-duality, but it isn't. Because duality is just a tiny little extension of Existence. It is not even an extension, but a side effect of extensionism/duality. It is so little that it is actually an illusory side effect of the fractaline nature of duality as unbounded and unlimitted consciousness, and still! STILL! It gives the eternal appearance of absolute freedom. Even tho it is just an illusory side effect. So consider how impossibly immense Existence is? It's impossible to know. It is infinity and eternity itself, to the point that it even surpasses God Source Consciousness.
And that is saying allot. If you were to get a tiny glimpse of God Source Consciousness, this entire universe would instantly desolve into nothing. Now consider something that is even more absolute than God Source Consciousness. The very thing that allows God Source Consciousness to exist. It is EXISTENCE ITSELF.
And again, since everything within existence is relative to Existence, and existence is relative to nothing and requires nothing to be existence as existence itself. It is always being Unique. And that is the highest Non-duality Knowledge. To understand that Uniqueness is not only unique, but it is literally the Only thing that exists. And then you can easily understand why nothing exists, because it cannot be known. How can you know that which is UNIQUE?! If you were able to know it, then it woulden't be unique. While AT THE SAME TIME, when you believe you know it, even your believe will be unique! So you can't even define the believe!
Therefor, in non-duality you cannot know or experience or learn. It is the realisation that consciousness doesn't exist and neither does self and neither does experience exist. It is just a mirage. Like an illusory side effect, as experience is, that gives you the appearance of knowing, experience, equivalence, duality, relativity, etc. But they are not real things. As there is only one real thing that exists. And that is existence itself, as I already mentioned.
And even so, we can still appreciate the illusion, potentially for all eternity. Even as duality consciousness.
And as I also mentioned, this does not mean that illusion/consciousness is without value. In absolute terms, yes. But Prime Duality lends its infinity from existence. And since existence is without limit, Prime Duality/Consciousness can also extend infinitely and eternally, and even exist beyond time and space, and even create infinite realities and universes. So does it really matter that it is not an absolute reality?
In a sense, if it tastes real, and it feels real, and it feels like freedom and it tastes like freedom, and it sounds like freedom and it looks like freedom. Then who cares if it is real or not? Well, someone like you or me might say, well... I don't care for the relative things. I want an absolute understanding of the absolute, AND THEN I will decide myself how much I wanna enjoy duality/relativity.
Well here you go I guess. Now you know the absolute, hopefully, and understand why it cannot be known. Because it is always being unlike anything else, without becoming.
But it is ofcourse always better if you ask a more specific question, so that I can focus more specifically upon the understanding you seek, and expand way more specifically upon that.
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