Christianity and the New Age Movement

[Seawolf]

Originally Posted by psychoslice

Well that's really what it means, but I don't think it means just his way, like his way is his, not my way or your's, as Jesus said, "I am the way", he was talking about his inner Divinity, the Christ Consciousnesses, not his way as the man Jesus.

From Paul's writing he does seem to talk about Christ in the believer, the Holy Spirit within or spirit of Christ. He also believes that it's made possible by the resurrection of the man Jesus, who provided it by being obedient to God and giving his life for mankind. Yes there is mention of Christ in the believer, the believer's unity with Christ and being strengthened by that supernatual love inside. But the part of about it being because Jesus was God's only begotten Son and came as a sacrifice for the sins of the world is a big part of Christian belief.

Originally Posted by psychoslice

Well that's really what it means, but I don't think it means just his way, like his way is his, not my way or your's, as Jesus said, "I am the way", he was talking about his inner Divinity, the Christ Consciousnesses, not his way as the man Jesus.

I am sort of thinking you have a Jesus complex?

[psychoslice]

Originally Posted by Mayflow

I am sort of thinking you have a Jesus complex?

I have nothing against old Jesus, and I don't get stuck on him, or expect him to do all for me, he himself had to become the Christ, he could do nothing on his own without the father, or Consciousness, and that is what we all need to do, is to drop the idea that we are just the body, or the carnal self.

So many are stuck in the Jesus mode, they worship him like a god, and completely over look what Jesus himself pointed to, he said I am the way, the truth and so on, but he never meant that he as the man Jesus was the way...he made the inner Christ personal so that the ones who he preached to could have some idea of what he was saying, this is also why he spoke in parables which the disciples couldn't understand why.

If he had just come out and said that you are the Christ just like me, those who were not ready would have believed this from the ego's point of view, and the whole thing would have made no sense at all, they would all be strutting about thinking that they are god's, again from the ego's point of view.

Originally Posted by psychoslice

I have nothing against old Jesus, and I don't get stuck on him, or expect him to do all for me, he himself had to become the Christ, he could do nothing on his own without the father, or Consciousness, and that is what we all need to do, is to drop the idea that we are just the body, or the carnal self.

So many are stuck in the Jesus mode, they worship him like a god, and completely over look what Jesus himself pointed to, he said I am the way, the truth and so on, but he never meant that he as the man Jesus was the way...he made the inner Christ personal so that the ones who he preached to could have some idea of what he was saying, this is also why he spoke in parables which the disciples couldn't understand why.

If he had just come out and said that you are the Christ just like me, those who were not ready would have believed this from the ego's point of view, and the whole thing would have made no sense at all, they would all be strutting about thinking that they are god's, again from the ego's point of view.

Have you ever thought that there is no Jesus?

[Seawolf]

Originally Posted by psychoslice

I have nothing against old Jesus, and I don't get stuck on him, or expect him to do all for me, he himself had to become the Christ, he could do nothing on his own without the father, or Consciousness, and that is what we all need to do, is to drop the idea that we are just the body, or the carnal self.

So many are stuck in the Jesus mode, they worship him like a god, and completely over look what Jesus himself pointed to, he said I am the way, the truth and so on, but he never meant that he as the man Jesus was the way...he made the inner Christ personal so that the ones who he preached to could have some idea of what he was saying, this is also why he spoke in parables which the disciples couldn't understand why.

If he had just come out and said that you are the Christ just like me, those who were not ready would have believed this from the ego's point of view, and the whole thing would have made no sense at all, they would all be strutting about thinking that they are god's, again from the ego's point of view.

That's great stuff! To the Pharisees Jesus equated himself to the God of Abraham. They didn't like that too much.

I don't agree that was what Paul and the other apostles were saying though in the New Testament. They very much saw Jesus as the promised Messiah of the Jews and savior of the world. Either the disciples didn't get it, and he wasn't that at all, he was just trying to tell them they are already one with the father (consciousness).. or he was God's Son born of a virgin, sacrificed for the sins of the world, then resurrected from the dead proving he was the Messiah (savior).. since that's what they talk about in the bible.

[psychoslice]

Originally Posted by Mayflow

Have you ever thought that there is no Jesus?

Yes I have, and i do feel that the story of Jesus never happened, but that doesn't mean that I can't use the story as a way of showing how i see it all, or how I experience my own inner realization.

[psychoslice]

Originally Posted by Seawolf

That's great stuff! To the Pharisees Jesus equated himself to the God of Abraham. They didn't like that too much.

I don't agree that was what Paul and the other apostles were saying though in the New Testament. They very much saw Jesus as the promised Messiah of the Jews and savior of the world. Either the disciples didn't get it, and he wasn't that at all, he was just trying to tell them they are already one with the father (consciousness).. or he was God's Son born of a virgin, sacrificed for the sins of the world, then resurrected from the dead proving he was the Messiah (savior).. since that's what they talk about in the bible.

They say that Paul never heard of Jesus and the so called story of his birth and the rest, he talked about the inner Christ, the name Jesus was added later.

Originally Posted by psychoslice

Well that's really what it means, but I don't think it means just his way, like his way is his, not my way or your's, as Jesus said, "I am the way", he was talking about his inner Divinity, the Christ Consciousnesses, not his way as the man Jesus.

Hey that's a nice way to see that phrase...

Originally Posted by psychoslice

Yes I have, and i do feel that the story of Jesus never happened, but that doesn't mean that I can't use the story as a way of showing how i see it all, or how I experience my own inner realization.

Maybe, but maybe you can do it in your own way without using the story? Does it deem like a bold move?

[Seawolf]

Originally Posted by psychoslice

They say that Paul never heard of Jesus and the so called story of his birth and the rest, he talked about the inner Christ, the name Jesus was added later.

Paul knew about Jesus (according to the bible) because he was a Pharisee that persecuted Christians after Jesus died. From his writings it doesn't seem like he read the gospels (maybe they weren't out yet ), but was familiar with the idea that Jesus was born from a virgin, did great things, died on a cross and resurrected. He was knocked off his horse by Jesus who appeared to him on a journey and was actually blinded by him. If you read Paul's writings you can see he actually believed those stories about Jesus pretty strongly, that he was the Messiah.