Are you a mystic?

[sky]

[quote=Molearner]Sounds like the concept of opposites….:).]

I prefer Yin-Yang....

[JustBe]

Originally Posted by Honza

'Mystic' is my new favourite word. I did not know what it meant until I checked the dictionary. It refers to people who seek union with God through self-realisation etc.
So are you a mystic?

I’ve had mystical experiences and it was just one or a few pieces, of a bigger picture forming. Letting go fully for some requires bigger openings to understand themselves and their existence beyond ‘normal’ conditioned factors. Bring a bigger picture of life to ones limited foundations. Understand you in the bigger scheme of everything. I could relate it to many things, complete letting go, spiritual intervention, abandonment from source, understanding grace, dark night of the soul and trusting fully in the unknown..All those things encompassed my own experiences in my ‘becoming’ ..

I’m not attached to any of my experiences, but rather look at my ‘becoming’ through them. So in the case of your dictionary view, that’s exactly the resulting meaning and process, that awakens through these kinds of experiences. We may not seek these things but once you unravel enough often spontaneous mystical experiences follow on from deeper inner work.

If you claim yourself to be a mystic, then you’re probably doing so, because you’re still focused on the practice through that stream of understanding and awareness of yourself.

[Redchic12]

Sky……..” I’m definitely not my Brothers Keeper and share no guilt for the right/wrongs of others...

Yes I gotta agree with this as well.

Molelearner……” Monks, ascetics, nuns etc attempt to claim the high ground by self isolation.”

That’s one helluva big judgement and I don’t agree with that at all. Whilst the odd ascetic may do so, I feel that most of them are genuine spiritual seekers. I mean why would you spend months on end in isolation just to prove that you have “taken the high road”. If your not genuine you would probably only last a few days and then quit.

From the books that I have read about these people they seem to be the opposite of what you have stated.

Molearner………” It becomes impossible to speak of moral values when there is no perception of right and wrong…..societies that do not recognize this choose self annihilation….”

Maybe it’s NOT a question of right and wrong because one country/society will differ from another ie the Middle East say it’s right to stone a woman to death but in the west it’s definitely wrong.

Some societies like Tibetans are horrified that we put people in an electric chair to die and they say that is wrong.

So who is right and who is wrong in that scenario?

You state that societies who do not do this face annihilation. Well maybe from a higher perspective that is EXACTLY what is meant to happen as there is no other way for them to evolve. But we can’t see or understand that from our limited, physical point of view.

Maybe it isnt anything to do with right and wrong but more to do with what’s ACCEPTABLE in a particular society and what is NOT acceptable. Some societies are more evolved than others.

[sky]

@redchic.
You make some good points, the concept of good/bad is man made and is not 'Universal'..... Cultures/Countries/Religions/Generations etc: all see things differently and have their own ideas of what is good/bad.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by Molearner

Monks, ascetics, nuns etc attempt to claim the high ground by self isolation.

Oh, Good Grief!
I like you Molearner, but sometimes I just do not know where you come UP with these things.

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

Oh, Good Grief!
I like you Molearner, but sometimes I just do not know where you come UP with these things.

You must consider Jesus…He could have remained an Essence…..removed from contact with others…..shielded from the turmoil of the world where it is easier to maintain innocence……

[Redchic12]

Molearner……..” You must consider Jesus…He could have remained an Essence…..removed from contact with others…..shielded from the turmoil of the world where it is easier to maintain innocence……”

Sorry mate but I just don’t know where you’re coming from with this comment.

How is this relevant to the good and bad we are talking about???

Originally Posted by Redchic12

Molearner……..” You must consider Jesus…He could have remained an Essence…..removed from contact with others…..shielded from the turmoil of the world where it is easier to maintain innocence……”
How is this relevant to the good and bad we are talking about???

Redchic12,

I was posting in reference to post #95 which highlighted what I had said about ‘high ground’. High ground is meant as opposed to ‘low ground’…..an implication of opposites…..such as good and bad as you are asking about.

[Redchic12]

Oh ok I see what you mean. Thanks

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by Molearner

You must consider Jesus…He could have remained an Essence…..removed from contact with others…..
shielded from the turmoil of the world where it is easier to maintain innocence……

Sorry, Mo, that has nothing to do with you saying:
''Monks, ascetics, nuns etc attempt to claim the high ground by self isolation."
They could be trying to do what is simply best for their temperament...being distracted by the world.
They are not 'claiming' anything...higher or lower.
And Jesus had a Mission, a public one.
Maybe we are saying diff things?

Typo: It's Essene