🌘EXODUS 6:3🌒 - Page 4

inavalan · #31 16-05-2021, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BigJohn

When I first read this, I believed for a long time that the Tetragrammaton, as reflective in this verse by the usage of the word Jehovah, had not been used till the Exodus.

I found this explanation, on Britanica's site, quite informative (it sounds accurate ...)

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Yahweh

YHWH, Yahweh, Elohim, Adonai, JeHoWaH

BigJohn · #32 24-06-2021, 04:14 AM

As for Abraham: He was called Abram. Later the "LORD" (Yahweh) changed his name.

In Genesis 11:27 Abram is introduced. In Genesis 17:1 apparently appears the first spoken expression of the usage of the expression "God Almighty" expressed to Abraham by the "LORD". In the non-spoken text, the "LORD" (Yahweh) is used but in the spoken text, it appears Abram, who later became Abraham, did speak the word "LORD" YHWH but it seems the "LORD" (Yahweh) never spoke to Abram or Abraham and use the word "LORD".

As an examples of Abraham speaking the word "Lord" (Yahweh) can be found in Genesis 18: 30-33 where Abraham speaks and uses the word "LORD" (Yahweh).

BigJohn · #33 24-06-2021, 04:16 AM

Sometimes...... when you dig deeper on a subject, more questions appear. This appears to be going on with this thread.

BigJohn · #34 24-06-2021, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by inavalan

I found this explanation, on Britanica's site, quite informative (it sounds accurate ...)

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Yahweh

YHWH, Yahweh, Elohim, Adonai, JeHoWaH

When the ten tribes of Israel, with Samaria as her capital, fell to the Assyrians, a huge rift was created. A major blow had been delivered to the Elohists, a group many of us here resonate with.

If you look closely, you can find some of the subtle tell-tale signs of the Elohists' "footprints".

BigJohn · #35 15-07-2021, 05:37 AM

There are some people who suspect that Elohim was the name of God.......... In the first creation account, Elohim is the only entity that is mentioned.

DavidHenson · #36 19-07-2021, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by inavalan

I found this explanation, on Britanica's site, quite informative (it sounds accurate ...)

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Yahweh

YHWH, Yahweh, Elohim, Adonai, JeHoWaH

I read the Britannica link and there are elements of truth in it but, well, it doesn't seem to explain very well. It only gives you vague theoretical. I don't know how familiar you are so excuse me if I'm preaching to the choir, as they say.

YHWH or JHVH - יהוה The tetragrammaton, from Greek Tetra (four) gramma (letter), is the personal name of God. They didn't write the vowels they spoke so the pronunciation is uncertain. Hebrew scholars may prefer Yahweh, but generally speaking the English is Jehovah. Much like the Hebrew is Yirmeyah and the English is Jeremiah.

The name is pronounced different in different languages. There used to be a comprehensive list on Facebook, I don't know if it's still there, I loath Facebook.

El is the Hebrew word for god. With the definite article ha (ha El) it refers to the God. God. Like the Hebrew word satan (resister) with the definite article ha (ha Satan) refers to Satan the Devil.

Of course there are many variations of el, including the makeup of personal names like Elisha (God is Salvation).

Elim is the plural form, gods. It can also be a plural of majesty and excellence. For example in the Greek (Septuagint) it is translated into the singular Theos and Latin (Vulgate) Deus.

Elohim is the plural (Genesis 31:30, 32) of elohah (god) and can also be used as a plural of majesty or excellence.

Elohim can be applied to men, idol gods, angels et cetera. For example, Dagon at 1 Samuel 5:7; the goddess Ashtoreth at 1 Kings 11:5; Marduk at Daniel 1:2.

Adonai is just the generic term lord. The Masoretic scribes began to have superstitions about the use of God's name by the common people and so removed it replacing it with the term adonai. So when you see LORD in all upper case letters, that is where they removed the name.

BigJohn · #37 22-07-2021, 02:03 AM

Some people believe Elohim was the name of the God of the Elohists. The first creation account was written by an Elohist(s) whereas the second creation account was written by a Yahwist(s).

BigJohn · #38 22-07-2021, 02:06 AM

As for the tetragrammaton, it gets transliterated as YHWH. as for YHWH, it can be easily be seen that it could have been pronounced as Yahweh by the Jews.

DavidHenson · #39 22-07-2021, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BigJohn

Some people believe Elohim was the name of the God of the Elohists. The first creation account was written by an Elohist(s) whereas the second creation account was written by a Yahwist(s).

That sounds like the documentary theory, a sort of higher criticism popularized by Wellhausen in the 1800's.

The two creation accounts were written by Moses. The first a chronological account and the second a topical account. In the second account aspects of the chronological account are presented in a different order as they relate to the narrative.

There isn't really any basis for any of that stuff. The Hebrew word pim alone discounts it.

BigJohn · #40 22-07-2021, 04:38 AM

Odd as it might sound, I came up on that conclusion by myself. The first creation account (Genesis 1:1 - 2:3), when read in Hebrew, speaks only and only of Elohim. "In the beginning, God [Elohim] created the Heavens and Earth."

If you examine some of the other writings of the Elohist(s), some things differ when compared to the Yahwist(s) writings.