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21-10-2019, 02:55 PM
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Master
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Are Female Christian Preachers in conflict with Bible?
I personally am fully supportive of women holding the same positions as men in Christian churches. However, there are many who do not support this position, including but not limited to the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church.
An Evangelical pastor recently criticized the presence of women preachers in Southern Baptist Christian churches by saying that it is in conflict with the Bible. (See article below.)
What do others have to say about this issue? Should women be allowed to be ministers and preachers in Christian churches?
https://religionnews.com/2019/10/19/...hould-go-home/
EXCERPT:
(RNS) — Evangelical pastor John MacArthur, speaking at a celebration of his 50th year in pulpit ministry this week, weighed in on an ongoing debate in the Southern Baptist Convention over women preachers, claiming the nation’s largest Protestant denomination has lost faith in the authority of the Bible.
He claimed the SBC had taken a “headlong plunge” toward allowing women preachers at its annual meeting this summer.
That, he said, was a sign the denomination no longer believed in biblical authority.
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21-10-2019, 03:08 PM
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Master
Join Date: Sep 2015
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Still_Waters
I personally am fully supportive of women holding the same positions as men in Christian churches. However, there are many who do not support this position, including but not limited to dthe hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church.
An Evangelical pastor recently criticized the presence of women preachers in Christian churches by saying that it is in conflict with the Bible. (See article below.)
What do others have to say about this issue? Should women be allowed to be ministers and preachers in Christian churches?
https://religionnews.com/2019/10/19/...hould-go-home/
EXCERPT:
(RNS) — Evangelical pastor John MacArthur, speaking at a celebration of his 50th year in pulpit ministry this week, weighed in on an ongoing debate in the Southern Baptist Convention over women preachers, claiming the nation’s largest Protestant denomination has lost faith in the authority of the Bible.
He claimed the SBC had taken a “headlong plunge” toward allowing women preachers at its annual meeting this summer.
That, he said, was a sign the denomination no longer believed in biblical authority.
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Once you give the Bible authority your doomed, your like a closed book.
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21-10-2019, 03:47 PM
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Master
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Location: Brooklyn, New York
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Originally Posted by sky123
Once you give the Bible authority your doomed, your like a closed book.
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That is PRECISELY why I do not accept the Bible as the "unadulterated Word of God".
I have always said that the Bible was written by MEN who were inspired to at least some degree but it is not clear how much of their own personal and cultural stuff got incorporated into their writings in addition to issues introduced by translations, the passage of time, and creative editing.
Your point is right on target.
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21-10-2019, 06:46 PM
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Master
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Still_Waters
That is PRECISELY why I do not accept the Bible as the "unadulterated Word of God".
I have always said that the Bible was written by MEN who were inspired to at least some degree but it is not clear how much of their own personal and cultural stuff got incorporated into their writings in addition to issues introduced by translations, the passage of time, and creative editing.
Your point is right on target.
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It's a mixture of myths, cultural and personal beliefs and opinions all thrown together over time and added and subtracted to suit on the way to where we are now. Even now in 2019 we have parts being banned in Schools/Colleges, other parts being denied as authentic so how can anyone really trust it's Teachings.
Best to use common sense and take the parts that improve Society and leave the rest behind.
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21-10-2019, 07:00 PM
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Master
Join Date: Sep 2017
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Still_Waters
I personally am fully supportive of women holding the same positions as men in Christian churches. However, there are many who do not support this position, including but not limited to the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church.
An Evangelical pastor recently criticized the presence of women preachers in Southern Baptist Christian churches by saying that it is in conflict with the Bible. (See article below.)
What do others have to say about this issue? Should women be allowed to be ministers and preachers in Christian churches?
https://religionnews.com/2019/10/19/...hould-go-home/
EXCERPT:
(RNS) — Evangelical pastor John MacArthur, speaking at a celebration of his 50th year in pulpit ministry this week, weighed in on an ongoing debate in the Southern Baptist Convention over women preachers, claiming the nation’s largest Protestant denomination has lost faith in the authority of the Bible.
He claimed the SBC had taken a “headlong plunge” toward allowing women preachers at its annual meeting this summer.
That, he said, was a sign the denomination no longer believed in biblical authority.
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This is confusing the rules laid down by Paul for his churches as something more than it is, just his own particular rules. But it's up to them, it is their loss in the end, some folks seem to think the gospels don't apply where it's obvious Jesus lets women speak!
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21-10-2019, 07:36 PM
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Master
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NASV: "Let a woman quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness."
1 Timothy 2:11-12
Let a woman learn in silence [hesuchia].with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence [hesuchia].
Corinthians 14:34
Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says.
1 Timothy 2:12-13
And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.
For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
1 Corinthians 11:9
For indeed man was not created for the woman's sake, but woman for the man's sake.
Keep your mouths closed Ladies, you might show more intelligence over the Gentleman and we can't have that now can we
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21-10-2019, 07:45 PM
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Master
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Sure God created man before woman, but then again you always make a rough draft before creating the final masterpiece.
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21-10-2019, 08:09 PM
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Master
Join Date: Sep 2018
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sky123
It's a mixture of myths, cultural and personal beliefs and opinions all thrown together over time and added and subtracted to suit on the way to where we are now. Even now in 2019 we have parts being banned in Schools/Colleges, other parts being denied as authentic so how can anyone really trust it's Teachings.
Best to use common sense and take the parts that improve Society and leave the rest behind.
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Is that not true of all religions and belief systems?
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21-10-2019, 08:11 PM
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Master
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sky123
NASV: "Let a woman quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness."
1 Timothy 2:11-12
Let a woman learn in silence [hesuchia].with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence [hesuchia].
Corinthians 14:34
Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says.
1 Timothy 2:12-13
And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.
For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
1 Corinthians 11:9
For indeed man was not created for the woman's sake, but woman for the man's sake.
Keep your mouths closed Ladies, you might show more intelligence over the Gentleman and we can't have that now can we
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Organizations, etc., today call these by-laws. Unfortunately, there was no provisions in the Bible to make changes.
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Happiness is the result of an enlightened mind whereas suffering is caused by a distorted mind.
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