Brahman=Logos?

The root to the word “BRAHMAN” originally meant “SPEECH”, much the same as the “LOGOS” is said to mean ‘WORD.

Could the Hindu 'Brahman', and the Christian 'Logos', be the same creator God, who is the Essential Divine Reality of the universe, the eternal spirit from which all being originates and to which all must return at the close of each period of universal activity?

Shabda OR SHABDA STANDS FOR ‘WORD’ MANIFESTED BY SOUND [VERBAL]

Bhartrhari speaks about the creative power of shabda, the manifold universe is a creation of Shabda Brahman
The Rig Veda states that Brahman extends as far as Vāc (R.V.X.114.8), and has hymns in praise of ‘SPEECH AS THE CREATOR.’

Originally Posted by The Anointed

The root to the word “BRAHMAN” originally meant “SPEECH”, much the same as the “LOGOS” is said to mean ‘WORD.

Hi Anointed.

Yeah. You are right. Scriptures say, particularly Srimath Bhagavath as,

“First, there is Narayana in sleeping manner (or Nirguna Brahman formless or Siva or God or whatever name one likes), and suddenly a lotus came from his navel and Brahma born, and so Brahma is called as Lotus-born. He only seen emptiness and don’t know why he is present. He felt a feel of this lotus stem and started to follow it and at last, he reached Narayana. Then Narayana showed him the view of Unmanifested Universe and asked him to create/manifest it. Then Brahma got his blessings and started to utter the word “Aum” (the first sound) and following all Vedas. In this speech, the manifestations happened. There also manifested Vishnu and Rudra from his Speech, to do their duty of protection and destruction.”

This words uttering, and things manifesting, is all like “Lumos and other spells in Harry Potter”.

In my view, this lotus is the Event Horizon of Black hole, and the stem is the Light bending till one reaches Singularity. I see that, every god/enlightened beings Manifested, is situated/present in this Event Horizon, that is between, non-time and Time, and watches/witness every thing.

Originally Posted by Mahesh72

Hi Anointed.
Yeah. You are right. Scriptures say, particularly Srimath Bhagavath as,
“First, there is Narayana in sleeping manner (or Nirguna Brahman formless or Siva or God or whatever name one likes), and suddenly a lotus came from his navel and Brahma born, and so Brahma is called as Lotus-born. He only seen emptiness and don’t know why he is present.

Thank you for your wonderful insight Mahesh. But, when you say: "There also manifested Vishnu and Rudra from his Speech", are you suggesting that Brahma created through his audible speech, or through thought?

Because we know that in Sanskrit the similar meaning is given in the use of the word 'vac.' Vac means word. But in Sanskrit teachings of the Sanatana Dharma, vac has many levels. Including where the word or speech is first considered as being in the mind as ‘A THOUGHT,’ and not as the spoken word or speech. And therefore the universe is the expression of the 'THOUGHTS' of Brahma.

“Ptah, is an Egyptian creator god who existed before all other things and, by his will, ‘THOUGHT’ the world into existence. I see this as the Logos=Word equals 'THOUGHT' as the creator. and Brahman=Speech equals 'Thought' as the creator.

The same Idea being expressed by our modern day quantum physicists, such as recorded by the Pioneering physicist Sir James Jeans, who wrote: “The stream of knowledge is heading toward a non-mechanical reality; the universe begins to look more like ‘A GREAT THOUGHT’ than like a great machine. Mind no longer appears to be an accidental intruder into the realm of matter, we ought rather hail it as the creator and governor of the realm of matter. (R. C. Henry, “The Mental Universe”; Nature 436:29, 2005)

Originally Posted by The Anointed

Thank you for your wonderful insight Mahesh. But, when you say: "There also manifested Vishnu and Rudra from his Speech", are you suggesting that Brahma created through his audible speech, or through thought?

Hi Anointed. Sorry for the delay.

This "thought" or speech, created the world, I say both, but first is Thought and through thought second comes out words.

Like I said, Narayana shown Brahma the Vision of "Unmanifested Universe" of all it's Law and Nature, to create again the Universe as a "Thought", so the Brahma with his vision/thought - created the Universe by "sound" of "AUM" the first voice in Universe, so space expanded and all matters came into being, and he created vedas so the deities/planets abide to those 'words'. All this Universe is created only for procreation of living beings. If there is no living beings, then the universe has no purpose as no living beings present to perceive it.

Originally Posted by Mahesh72

Hi Anointed. Sorry for the delay.

This "thought" or speech, created the world, I say both, but first is Thought and through thought second comes out words.

Like I said, Narayana shown Brahma the Vision of "Unmanifested Universe" of all it's Law and Nature, to create again the Universe as a "Thought", so the Brahma with his vision/thought - created the Universe by "sound" of "AUM" the first voice in Universe, so space expanded and all matters came into being, and he created vedas so the deities/planets abide to those 'words'. All this Universe is created only for procreation of living beings. If there is no living beings, then the universe has no purpose as no living beings present to perceive it.

Our words are no more than the expression of our thoughts, and the universe is the expression of the thoughts of He, from who all things originated, by whom all things originated, and for whom all things originated.

If you believe that "AUM" is the first sound in the universe, it must have been the sound of the singularity of origin being spatially separated.

But that is my opinion based on my studies.

Thank you for your response, and may our God preserve you.

Originally Posted by The Anointed

Thank you for your response, and may our God preserve you.

Thanks for you too for bringing up this topic sir.

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by The Anointed

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The root to the word “BRAHMAN” originally meant “SPEECH”, much the same as the “LOGOS” is said to mean ‘WORD.

Could the Hindu 'Brahman', and the Christian 'Logos', be the same creator God, who is the Essential Divine Reality of the universe, the eternal spirit from which all being originates and to which all must return at the close of each period of universal activity?

I think you have provided the 'words' that link all the major religions under one roof.

Thanks for the contribution!

[peteyzen]

Great conversations here. I bashed my head against what is what and the relationship between Jesus and brahma for a while.
These days I like Sai baba`s interpretation, that Jesus was an Avatar, just like Krishna, the divine descended into human form. Both were beyond religion, they just came to kick start a flagging level of human consciousness back onto the path of spirituality.
Everyone is different, I struggle to immerse myself into the philosophy of the vedas, although I do open the Bhagavad and Udhava gitas from time to time. I don`t read the bible as I find it doesn`t speak to me in my language.
I realise now, that the best time is spent with God, meditating on him, or chatting with him, bringing him into your daily life, not separating him from it. If our intent is right and our focus, or as my friend says, alignment of heart and mind on God (any aspect of him that suits you), then this is the best way.

Originally Posted by peteyzen

If our intent is right and our focus, or as my friend says, alignment of heart and mind on God (any aspect of him that suits you), then this is the best way.

I see our God as the divine reality of the universe, the eternal spirit from which all being originates and to which all must return at the close of each period of universal activity.

This universe and all herein, is our God made manifest, and how can you say that you love God and yet hate your brother who God has become.

As Jesus said to the Pharisee who asked what he must do to inherit everlasting life; "Love God with all your body, with all your mind and with all your soul, and love your neighbour as yourself, and you will live, because the complete law is fulfilled in those two commands.

What a wonderful world it will be when everybody obeys the very law that they impose on their neighbours; "Do not steal from me or mine, do not kill or harm me or mine, do not bear false witness against me or mine, do not lay with my spouse, etc, etc.

We are our own Judge. Those who break the laws that they impose on the rest of society around them condemn themselves to suffer the second death from which there is no return, for the death of the mind, is the eternal punishment for sin.

[Still_Waters]

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Originally Posted by The Anointed

I see our God as the divine reality of the universe, the eternal spirit from which all being originates and to which all must return at the close of each period of universal activity.


We are our own Judge.

That is my understanding as well.

Could you elaborate more on the judgment part as I believe that we are in sync but am not sure?