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16-08-2019, 03:11 AM
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Do you agree with the free will concept?
According to this guy, over 90% of people don't have free will because they're living on autopilot and in their "island of comfort".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32dq4cJhl2U
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16-08-2019, 07:46 AM
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Master
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Hello,
There seems to be some confusion about free will. It is not an intellectual thing but a way of being kind of choice.
The energy of our intentions is known by all, at levels beyond the intellect, and that puts into motion a great many things.
At any moment we can shift our perceptions. Eolevate them or de-evolve them. That is the power of free will very few of us seem to understand.
John
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16-08-2019, 09:22 AM
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Knower
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At any moment we can shift our perceptions. Elevate them or de-evolve them. That is the power of free will very few of us seem to understand.
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Nicely put and totally agree with this (I was confused about where the 90% figure came from!)
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16-08-2019, 02:15 PM
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Master
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Nicely put and totally agree with this (I was confused about where the 90% figure came from!)
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Hi,
That was this guy's point of view. I did not study his link so I do not know why he would think that. In my view, we all have free choice.
Now some times we get into a state of mind where we are unbalanced and out of control. That could be this 90% he has identified. Yet I would not identify that condition as being unresolvable. Actually more are awakening every day from my perspective.
John
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16-08-2019, 06:35 PM
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Actually more are awakening every day from my perspective.
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How do you know you aren't just getting sleepier and sleepier?
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16-08-2019, 05:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by John32241
There seems to be some confusion about free will. It is not an intellectual thing but a way of being kind of choice.
The energy of our intentions is known by all, at levels beyond the intellect, and that puts into motion a great many things.
At any moment we can shift our perceptions. Elevate them or de-evolve them. That is the power of free will very few of us seem to understand.
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Hello John!
Agreed. Well said.
Peace & blessings ![hug3](images/smilies/hug3.gif)
7L
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Bound by conventions, people tend to reach for what is easy.
Here we must be unafraid of what is difficult.
For all living beings in nature must unfold in their particular way
and become themselves despite all opposition.
-- Rainer Maria Rilke
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23-08-2019, 12:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by John32241
There seems to be some confusion about free will. It is not an intellectual thing but a way of being kind of choice.
The energy of our intentions is known by all, at levels beyond the intellect, and that puts into motion a great many things.
At any moment we can shift our perceptions. Elevate them or de-evolve them. That is the power of free will very few of us seem to understand.
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It is also said that the path of perfect freedom is paradoxically choiceless.
(As one becomes more and more completely attuned to the "higher power", one intuitively acts and "knows without thinking". One thus acts without making what many would call conscious choices.) ![Biggrin](images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
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23-08-2019, 06:08 PM
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It is also said that the path of perfect freedom is paradoxically choiceless.
(As one becomes more and more completely attuned to the "higher power", one intuitively acts and "knows without thinking". One thus acts without making what many would call conscious choices.) ![Biggrin](images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
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Hello,
In my case I stay in touch with my divine guidance. Doing such a thing, or not, is a choice.
The guidance I receive is about my life circumstances. From there I make conscious choices on how to proceed with various things.
Yes it is nice to "know without thinking". That can happen.
John
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24-08-2019, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by John32241
In my case I stay in touch with my divine guidance. Doing such a thing, or not, is a choice.
The guidance I receive is about my life circumstances. From there I make conscious choices on how to proceed with various things.
Yes it is nice to "know without thinking". That can happen.
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Like yourself, I too have made it a priority to "stay in touch with my divine guidance" so there are indeed choices of that nature constantly being made during one's spiritual unfolding.
However, as one practices more and more, one realizes that the "divine guidance" (which may seem illogical in the moment at times ) is ULTIMATELY unerringly right on target whereas the choices made by the little separatist ego are more of the "hit or miss" variety.
It has been my experience that One's initial faith in "knowing without thinking" divine guidance gradually changes into confidence and then into trust and finally into complete surrender. The number of conscious "choices" thus become fewer and fewer while periods of "knowing without thinking", divine-guidance choice-less-ness become more and more frequent/continuous.
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16-08-2019, 02:13 PM
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Just because human beings utilize their free will by making poor choices does not mean that they don't have free will.
In fact, the making of even poor choices demonstrates the truth of free will.
Otherwise, God would simply be an autocrat, and we would be automatons.
Rather, what is happening is that God is really a slave of our free-will.
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