Non Dual pointers! Pointing at what can't be pointed at.

[JayTruther]

After watching thousands of hours of non dual pointers from the youtube circuit "teachers" the following of the pointing always induces a state of open quiet stillness without thought.

I would recite a pointer or watch a video like an addiction to again open this no thought stillness again and again everyday for years on end.

One day, not that long ago an actual glimpse took place of Non Duality, which was COMPLETELY different to this "state" the pointers would induce.

My question is what are the pointers pointing at? If when following them a "state" of calm quiet stillness arises yet this is nothing at all like the Non Dual glimpse that was had here?

These pointers really dont, for me anyway point towards the natural state, its actually more confusing and frustrating after an actual glimpse.

As now it's seen the mind just cannot do anything at all!

Originally Posted by JayTruther

These pointers really don't for me anyway point towards the natural state, its actually more confusing and frustrating after an actual glimpse.

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The fingers are pointing at the moon, the moon being-Duality but because it's an experience it's individual.

[HITESH SHAH]

Originally Posted by JayTruther

As now it's seen the mind just cannot do anything at all!

Being calm and still is just one part of non-duality . There is lot more to it.

Non-duality is not a magic wand . There is it lot of hard work , compassion , intelligence and patience required . No miracles happen with non-duality . Non-duality does not promise any out of the world miraculous mystical experiences .You may not try to learn about Non-duality if u expect magics to happen with it else u may suffer like not being able to do anything .

Originally Posted by JayTruther

After watching thousands of hours of non dual pointers from the youtube circuit "teachers" the following of the pointing always induces a state of open quiet stillness without thought.

What all the pointers are pointing to is that open quiet stillness is ever-present regardless of mind/no-mind, thought/no-thought.

The knowledge-based path (Jnana Yoga) is said to be the most difficult and my opinion is the YT circuit teachers might be a good introduction but they are far too shallow for real progress for most people. It's like trying to learn to swim by standing in ankle-deep water.

I'd recommend finding a serious non-dual tradition and following its teachings and practices to the best of your ability.

Originally Posted by JayTruther

point towards the natural state,

What is the 'natural state'? Something else that's coming through with non-Duality is phrases like these, and 'true self'.

If non-Duality is the answer, what's the question?

[JayTruther]

I think you guys have gotten me wrong.

Youtube teachers, shaktipat, kundalini etc etc.

It's all been researched and become felt experience, anyone can spout higher truths and tell "me" to find a tradition to follow but this has already been seen.

Until a glimpse has been seen then anything being said here is all concepts. Also to try telling me basics is somewhat patronising.

A glimpse happened here, did all you guys have any real glimpse if not your just giving out more concepts.

Sorry to be brash but it's just true.

Whatever pointers or traditions anyone is following once you glimpse this you realise that "this" is nothing whatsoever like the mind expected, thought, imagined.

A mind can only talk in concepts, this is concept less including using certain traditions as they also cannot guarantee anything at all.

[HITESH SHAH]

Originally Posted by JayTruther

Until a glimpse has been seen then anything being said here is all concepts. Also to try telling me basics is somewhat patronising.

All that u believe / follow / practice is just concept.
-Marriage with all vows easily broken by divorces is a concept .
-Paper bills with falling purchasing power is also a concept
- nation , government, economy , psychology , its rules and theorems everything is concept at one level . Only thing is that you and many others believe in these concepts as real / permanent . I do believe in all these concepts with due regards to its validity & invalidity .

Originally Posted by JayTruther

did all you guys have any real glimpse if not your just giving out more concepts.

Yes I definitely have the glimpses (Not the complete full multi dimension 360X360 view ) of it in the beautiful sunrises , fast running rivers , majestic mountains , vast oceans constantly creating tide , romantic rain showers , snowfall . Even in my social interactions I have great relationships with all i interact giving me blissful feelings . In meditation though its very difficult , I do feel the glimpses sometimes. I dont think there is anything magical or miraculous or impossible in any of it . You too can have these glimpses very easily .

Originally Posted by JayTruther

"this" is nothing whatsoever like the mind expected, thought, imagined.

You may examine whether your expectations are realistic or you fancied some magical miraculous thing to happen with non-duality .

Originally Posted by JayTruther

A mind can only talk in concepts, this is concept less including using certain traditions as they also cannot guarantee anything at all.

Guarantees in life is like myth . Nobody provides . Promise of value on currency bills is broken during inflationary times. Promise of security / freedom / equality before law / justice everything is not guaranteed always. So expecting some material limited guarantee from concepts about infinite with infinite possibilities is asking too much .

[JayTruther]

I would like to ask each of you a simple question.

Have you had a glimpse? If yes I'm eager to hear what insights you may have.

If not then again everything being said is regurgitated concepts, am I wrong?

Originally Posted by JayTruther

Have you had a glimpse? If yes I'm eager to hear what insights you may have.

Search YouTube for "Lucid waking.......Rupert Spira".

[movingalways]

Originally Posted by JayTruther

I would like to ask each of you a simple question.
Have you had a glimpse? If yes I'm eager to hear what insights you may have.
If not then again everything being said is regurgitated concepts, am I wrong?

What insights could I possible give you that wouldn't include words you have heard before, perhaps hundreds or thousands of times?

I'm going to suggest to you that because you had a beautiful and peaceful nondual glimpse beyond the conceptual mind that it is natural, even beneficial, to feel frustrated with the mind's regurgitating nature. But as you will soon discover if you wish to communicate your knowledge or experiences, your learned concepts are all you have.

My insight for you:
Frustration is a form of resistance.
Resistance (as you discovered while eating your kebab) is not present in nondual awareness.
Therefore the absence of resistance is how one knows they have ceased thinking dualistically, be it a glimpse or be it all the time.