Satya Sai Baba

[Vajradhara]

Some amazing scenes of Satya Sai Baba materializing things!

https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...Satya+sai+baba

[Altair]

Originally Posted by Vajradhara

Some amazing scenes of Satya Sai Baba materializing things!
https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...Satya+sai+baba

He used tricks.

[Gem]

Originally Posted by Altair

He used tricks.

Occams razor says the simple explanation is the most likely one (magic tricks). Manifesting trinkets out of thin air is a bit of a stretch (unlikely). From my perspective he's not a trustworthy guy and it looks like a duck to me.

[FallingLeaves]

Originally Posted by Gem

Occams razor says the simple explanation is the most likely one

hate to say it but occam's razor is just a rationalization. Consider a hilly terrain, very foggy too. And you want to find the 'top'. So you go up, until you find the 'top'. Simple thing, occam's razor.

But you never realize there was another, higher top, because you can't see it from where you are and you won't go down first to find out there are other hills, and one might have it. And then you rationalize you've found what you wanted and occam's razor does indeed work...

[Altair]

I see the points raised in the last two posts as a last ditch effort, attempts to simply look away and put one's fingers in one's ears.

The guy was shown to use tricks, why hang on to him? The lure of the god man, indeed there is no need for rationality. Just the feels, man........

[Gem]

Originally Posted by Altair

I see the points raised in the last two posts as a last ditch effort, attempts to simply look away

Yup, I noticed how 'materialisations' were swept under the rug in favour of more obscure anecdotes about ash.

@FL In this case Occam's razor is presented with the claim that these are miraculous materialisations. However, it could be some simple and poorly executed magic tricks (obviously). The latter explanation is plausible and the claim is a bit of a stretch. Otherwise, do away with rationality with high hopes that the unlikely claim just might turn out to be right.

US is now saying it's not constructive spiritually, but morality is the cornerstone of a spiritual path and truthfulness is the cornerstone of morality. Is Baba truthful? I'd say very likely not, but he misleads a lot of people. I don't want people to be misled let alone defrauded, so I care about the truth. It's not only that. It's the bigger picture of how truth facilitates trust - and deception destroys it.

If these are tricks, it means Baba deceived people and took their donations on false pretenses, along with their adoration and reverence. If it's true he did palour tricks, then he's a con man who pulled a great scam. Since it's obvious to me that he did do parlour tricks, that's how I regard Baba. For all I know he might be a high holy man, but he's not trustworthy, and that's what counts.

[Miss Hepburn]

Well, it's not up to me to say what was going on. To say he used tricks, Altair, is
a perfect example of stating something as if it is fact here, a no-no, instead of as your opinion.

He was, indeed, a controversial person.
I read that he said he doesn't materialize things out of thin air, per se ---he has objects in another place and moves them to his hand.
I'm sure someone searching could find the article.

[Altair]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

Well, it's not up to me to say what was going on. To say he used tricks, Altair, is
a perfect example of stating something as if it is fact here, a no-no, instead of as your opinion.

Not an opinion, there are videos of him that show he used tricks. This was back in a time when cameras weren't around everywhere, today he wouldn't as easily be able to pull it off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNVJ...l=DasIstGenoog

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by Altair

Not an opinion, there are videos of him that show he used tricks. This was back in a time when
cameras weren't around everywhere, today he wouldn't as easily be able to pull it off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNVJ...l=DasIstGenoog

Yes, I know all about the cameras.
I'll give you this one ...notice I didn't just delete it.
I still should be qualified with the youtube when saying it, that's all.

BUT, even then, he was in crowds many, many times- shame there were no cameras then...when he did 'make something simply appear'.
(Same with the guy who wrote the article; Baba 'manifested things', but without the crowds.)

It's not like it's a hard thing to do - I mean for a yogi that desires to do such things.
Some want to levitate, some want to other 'paranormal' things.

And again for this crowd, I'll use the opportunity to recommend Baird Spalding's: Life and Teachings of The Masters of The Far East.
or
even Autobiography of a Yogi...I know new people have no clue of these classic books.


Altair - between you and me -you probably think I believe anything.
It's just if someone here says, "A Ford is better than a Chevy''...
we gotta have a qualifier or simply say ---I read, I think , I believe the cameras, I saw with my own eyes, imo, It seems that....
Then people can say most anything!
Btw, I DO think Ford trucks are better than Chevy trucks from my years of exp and observation of others.

[FallingLeaves]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

I read that he said he doesn't materialize things out of thin air, per se ---he has objects in another place and moves them to his hand.

well my 'understanding' is that one of the things you can do if you know how is slow down the world around you... i.e. go fast compared to everyone else.... so... at that point any act of materialization and even places where things are swapped out (such as for example turning water into wine) just becomes a matter of slowing down reality to something close to a stop, then walking around and making the changes you want to see as if in a still frame in a movie, then going back to where you were standing at the beginning and letting things start up again.

I don't know that is how all yogis do materialization but certainly it seems like a possibility that some would be able to do, and a very easy to understand one at that... lol...