Idea of false awakenings.

[loopylucid]

False awakenings.. ive spent the past 3 days battling my 'bodys' to not obe at the moment, im unwell and always find this happens more because i have to sleep more.
Its also those time i will end up in RTZ more often(Grrrrr !! ) than id like as i simply think i dont have enough energy to pull myself out of there, so its been unrestful to say the least! It almost feels like going backwards, back to all the things that happen when you first start and i was getting pretty annoyed about it, that aswell as it not being sleep! I am tired lol!
Anyways enough moaning but trying to pull something positive from a particular experience, i was pretty shocked out by it all and started discussing it with my friend who has no clue bout anything like this, i was explaining the part of false awakening i had which hasnt happened to me in over 20 years now! the experience leading up to this was interesting as in i didnt get it from falling asleep i was voided, thats only word i can use to explain it, your not asleep, but your also not intending to obe, its like someone just switches the light out and automatically another perspective kicks in, this particular time was extremely different though i had 3 bodys i was struggling with, 3 perspectives and 2 false awakenings... to which my friend pointed out that it would make sense to, 3 bodys, 2 false awakenings and then proper awakeness.....
It was also peculiar in as such i had panoramic vision, transparent in everything at any place at the same time, conciousness in 3 different places.. at once.. as one.. i even had physical feeling in my sleeping body felt by the other bodys, i could feel in one body , feel the feeling and watch it in the next body and then view both from another body as though it was all one, ive never been so utterly confused in my life
That got me thinking.. could it be a case of those false awakenings were indeed the individual re-rentry of each body?
Those of you who have had experiences with FA at the end of astral/obe.. can you remember how many of your bodys you were concious of out there (for me there is always a central awareness viewing all other awareness, i also have no control over getting that awareness when i want it. i can only guarntee i know how to from the sleeping body and the astral body, the other bodys seem more in control of me than i am!! ) wether its one or 2 or how ever many and had a false awakening involved with it, if those bodies represented the amount of times you awoke?
I guess this wouldnt make sense for those who have Fa happen 10 or more times, or maybe it would i just dont know! But wanted to put it out there and see if no-one minds sharing there thoughts on it :)
Kind blessings Loopy who is back off to bed to try and get some SLEEPY sleep!! :)

Wow! I'm afraid I have no advice but very intrigued!! What is it you mean by fals awakening? You mean as if you think you have woken up several times but in fact not? As for the extra 'bodies' I have never heard/known of his before! Very interesting... Or in your case not so at present! :) I hope you get some much needed rest :) xxx

[loopylucid]

Hey angelshand, lovely name :)
False awakening I suppose to simplify is best described to someone who hasn't had it as dreaming you've woke up, then realising you haven't, then dreaming it again etc..its a very weird feeling!!
There are many different theorys out there for how many different bodys we have, how we use them and where, I cant even begin to imagine how much! Im sure it has a name what I experienced here, but im so confused by it all im not even sure the label would help lol!
Thanks for your reply, appreciated :) are you a traveller?
:)
Loopy :)

[Squatchit]

Hiya Loopy

I hope you have fully recovered and are feeling much better as you read this.

I've had a fair few false awakenings over the years. They are really strange. Mine tend to occur right after a high-lucid OBE (or projection, or whatever other terminology you wish to use). It's as if I've used up my whole quota of lucidity, but I'm not quite ready to wake up, so I have a dream where I'm utterly convinced I'm awake. Talk about the opposite of being lucid!

During FAs, I'm only ever aware of the one body. If I do realise at some point that I've entered another dream rather than being awake, I normally immediately wake up. I'm not sure how many FAs in a row I have - not many. I think that's because by the time I've had my lucid experience, I'm very close to waking reality.

I do remember one time being three separate consciousnesses (is that a word?! ). And having 360 degree vision. It sounds wacky when relating it, but at the time it was happening, it seemed perfectly normal and natural.

Over the years, I've come to think there's a heck of a lot of overlap that can occur with these experiences. Plenty of times I've been semi-astral (such as waving my astral arms around) whilst still believing I can feel my physical legs...only to find that once I'd reached full consciousness, my physical legs were in a different position to what I'd originally thought. It's like there are many layers in my mind and I can tune into one, or more, at any given time.

Regardless of what IS actually going on, it's great fun!

[loopylucid]

Originally Posted by Squatchit

Hiya Loopy

I hope you have fully recovered and are feeling much better as you read this.

I've had a fair few false awakenings over the years. They are really strange. Mine tend to occur right after a high-lucid OBE (or projection, or whatever other terminology you wish to use). It's as if I've used up my whole quota of lucidity, but I'm not quite ready to wake up, so I have a dream where I'm utterly convinced I'm awake. Talk about the opposite of being lucid!

During FAs, I'm only ever aware of the one body. If I do realise at some point that I've entered another dream rather than being awake, I normally immediately wake up. I'm not sure how many FAs in a row I have - not many. I think that's because by the time I've had my lucid experience, I'm very close to waking reality.

I do remember one time being three separate consciousnesses (is that a word?! ). And having 360 degree vision. It sounds wacky when relating it, but at the time it was happening, it seemed perfectly normal and natural.

Over the years, I've come to think there's a heck of a lot of overlap that can occur with these experiences. Plenty of times I've been semi-astral (such as waving my astral arms around) whilst still believing I can feel my physical legs...only to find that once I'd reached full consciousness, my physical legs were in a different position to what I'd originally thought. It's like there are many layers in my mind and I can tune into one, or more, at any given time.

Regardless of what IS actually going on, it's great fun!

Hey squatchit thanks for reply hun and yeh im getting better, slow but sure :) used the astral for some self healing aswell :) ty :)

Its a very weird thing isn't it, I just wondered how it might have some relation to others experiences, trying to make sense of it, i kinda want it to happen again now to see, but then i think cause im already thinking it might be, i might influence that, so was best to put it out there and have a ickle look around, maybe its just to ease us into the multi-whateveryawannacallit! its like the all seeing thing.. now i wanna play with it, see how far i can get that all seeing to well... see lol! i have had somany lucid/astral obe experiences, from both sleep and consciously encouraged ones, but ive never had an experience quite like that!
Its good to know im not alone in it tho! i was beginning to feel from the lack of replys it was just me going crazy! again... lol
How many layers are there for goodness sake!!! and why give them to a mind that questions as much as i do lol!! how did you learn to live with it as fun and not a mass of confusion if ya don't mind sharing your tips lol
kind blessings Loopy :) x

[IsleWalker]

Loopy--

I don't think I've had much FA experience but I did have an experience where "I'" (in lucid dream) walked to the kitchen, then saw myself outside the window, then saw the other two "mes" from the perspective of above the original "me".

But I eventually felt that the way in which I was asking for projection was what caused the problem. It was one of those--be careful what you wish for scenarios.

I asked that my body go to sleep and then regain full physical consciousness after I had gone to sleep. I think the "physical consciousness" was the problem as I fell asleep, got back physical consciousness (not the separated consciousness, whatever that is, that we take with us during projection). With physical consciousness, I would fall asleep again, get physical consciousness back. Anyway, hard to explain but it was like a nested or recursive situation.

I think I finally just woke back up after I had the broadest view of what was going on (with the other two "me" there).

I understand that your question has to do with there being a consistency with the number of "bodies" out there and the false awakenings. I would think there is a relationship.

But then again it's probably not going to change what happens anyway. Maybe.

Lora

[loopylucid]

Originally Posted by IsleWalker

Loopy--

I don't think I've had much FA experience but I did have an experience where "I'" (in lucid dream) walked to the kitchen, then saw myself outside the window, then saw the other two "mes" from the perspective of above the original "me".

But I eventually felt that the way in which I was asking for projection was what caused the problem. It was one of those--be careful what you wish for scenarios.

I asked that my body go to sleep and then regain full physical consciousness after I had gone to sleep. I think the "physical consciousness" was the problem as I fell asleep, got back physical consciousness (not the separated consciousness, whatever that is, that we take with us during projection). With physical consciousness, I would fall asleep again, get physical consciousness back. Anyway, hard to explain but it was like a nested or recursive situation.

I think I finally just woke back up after I had the broadest view of what was going on (with the other two "me" there).

I understand that your question has to do with there being a consistency with the number of "bodies" out there and the false awakenings. I would think there is a relationship.

But then again it's probably not going to change what happens anyway. Maybe.

Lora

Hey isle and thanjyou for reply :) nice to meet ya :)
what you say about having the broadest view that woke u up, makes sense to me to, i think the difference in terms of the physical consciousness you talk about was if i had 2 bodys, i could see that, but with 3 it felt to far away from the physical, i could watch my physical self waking up from the third point of view but not the 2nd as it seemed to be doing the same, was like it was so close it was pulled in if you like, so the broadest view for wakening does make sense ...its just any false awakenings i have had before, have always been with the physical and the astral if you want to level them out, and the mini me's you describe, which is what i term them not very technical i know! have always been in RTZ, my third perspective was way off the scale of that tho! it felt like my broadest perspective was from the moon, looking down on earth and the other two, one was flying in the sky and the other was on the ground..i wish i could describe it better! What do you think these different perspectives are here to teach us ?
Kind blessings Loopy :)

[IsleWalker]

Loopy--

I'm not sure I know what they teach us. I get what you're saying about the perspective being further and further away. I do think that, as dimensions go, the RTZ being the closest, that our consciousness needs to travel through these zones to more "distant" (although they may not be distant in the physical sense, but finer and finer vibrations/dimensions, which in reality might actually be closer than RTZ. Sorry to be confusing!).

My most frequent vision as I go to sleep is of orbs. At first I thought these were my guides. Then it became unclear if it was "me" or "them". Then I realized it doesn't really matter which is which. We are all traveling at the same time.

I used to feel that when the orb was bigger, I was "connected". I would see it when I was zoning out watching some TV that made me think of some other spiritual idea, and I was lost in thought of that idea. I would see a big (in comparison to the small pencil-sized orbs I saw as I dozed off) blue orb, about the size of a nickel. Often it was not seen internally (i.e. third eye) but externally, just hanging out next to the TV.

But what I gradually began to realize is that the relative size of this orb had more to do with how "far out" I was. That is, if I dozed off quickly, let go of the physical stuff more quickly, then the "orb" was really small (far out).

If I was just turning over a night, it would not really get bigger, since I was just going to go back to sleep (and my consciousness could stay wherever it was).

But if I woke, began thinking about things (like what the size of the orb meant), then when I did close my eyes again, it was bigger.

So--I was gonna say that my experiences were the same as you observed, but actually it's the inverse. I saw more as I got further away (and the orbs got smaller) whereas you had the broadest view as you got closer to waking.

And that, I think, might have something to do with how closely you identify with the physical body.

I've never felt a need for the many "astral bodies" that people talk about--the astral, mental, emotional (??I don't even know if that's right.) I think that because I don't have a very close identification with my physical body. It is really one of my issues in this life--to accept the physical, the "game" body. Spiritual stuff I am much more comfortable with. Hence, why I tend to see myself as an orb when I am lucid. This one experience was a rarity for me. And since it didn't work, I gave up that method of trying to project.

I don't know if you can choose, or change your default way of traveling--from some kind of etheric body to another energetic kind. Most people that I've heard from are like you--traveling in bodies.

There was a girl who did a kind of energy/aura reading that is totally different than the type that are normally seen. She saw a whole "circulatory" structure underneath the glowy, cloudlike colors that most people see. I felt it was very fascinating--like saying that some humans don't have an aorta or heart but circulate their blood in a totally different way. (She also didn't see the stereotypical 8 chakras. She said most people had 2 or 3 dominant energy centers).

Anyway, I questioned her about how all this works, since she described herself as seeing with a kind of sonar, like bats. She didn't "see" anything like most people do, but rather bounced her energy off of people.

I asked about the dimensions and how she saw them. And then that lead into how many dimensions most people have access to.

She said that many of the etheric bodies--the emotional, mental, etc. --can only exist in a dimension like that energy. So, sometimes, those bodies do cross into other (higher) dimensions that can accomodate them. She talked about it in percentages--like maybe 60% of someone's mental body was in one dimension and the rest existed into another adjacent dimension.

So, in your case, each etheric body may have access to different dimensions.

But, again, that's opposite of what we were talking about, right? You said that before that was always true but this time the "last" body was with the broadest perspective. I got that only that one time when I was specifically asking for consciousness to be "restored" after I fell asleep.

Had you asked (guides/whomever) for anything special that night? What was different about this time from your normal experiences (beside the perspective thing)?

Sorry to be so long.

Nice to meet you too! I've been here since 2009, but haven't been getting out much the last few years.

Lora

[Perfect Storm]

Originally Posted by IsleWalker

Loopy--


My most frequent vision as I go to sleep is of orbs. At first I thought these were my guides. Then it became unclear if it was "me" or "them". Then I realized it doesn't really matter which is which. We are all traveling at the same time.

I used to feel that when the orb was bigger, I was "connected". I would see it when I was zoning out watching some TV that made me think of some other spiritual idea, and I was lost in thought of that idea. I would see a big (in comparison to the small pencil-sized orbs I saw as I dozed off) blue orb, about the size of a nickel. Often it was not seen internally (i.e. third eye) but externally, just hanging out next to the TV.

But what I gradually began to realize is that the relative size of this orb had more to do with how "far out" I was. That is, if I dozed off quickly, let go of the physical stuff more quickly, then the "orb" was really small (far out).


Lora

Replying as I go through this thread!

This is interesting. I had a mass of FA this morning and as soon as i made it out of my bed (was in RTZ) I thought 'move to a higher astral zone'. I pushed off the floor and it went black though i was still aware. Then I could feel i was lying down again but all I could see was a dark blood red orb infront of me and it looked big.. a meter maybe.

I wondered what this was and this was an interesting idea.

[IsleWalker]

Originally Posted by Athymari

Replying as I go through this thread!

This is interesting. I had a mass of FA this morning and as soon as i made it out of my bed (was in RTZ) I thought 'move to a higher astral zone'. I pushed off the floor and it went black though i was still aware. Then I could feel i was lying down again but all I could see was a dark blood red orb infront of me and it looked big.. a meter maybe.

I wondered what this was and this was an interesting idea.

Yes, Athymari, it makes sense to me. Somewhere I just posted about seeing that "color" of orb when the third eye is in the process of opening (or something). Then I see the orb (the "me" orb) inverse--brownish/red on a lighter field. I just figured it had something to do with adjusting to the opening or closing of third eye, because if I wait for a while (eyes closed), it will change so the orb is lit and the background is reddish-brown.

Lora