How does a being, become?

[Ewwerrin]

How does a being, that is being without becoming (existence as existence itself), how does that become a being with becoming?

How does that which exists, as existence itself, being... How does that enter a state of becoming?

Existence doesnt have to become, it simply is. It cannot even become! It simply is. Existence. Non existence doesn't exist.

So how does becoming exist at all? Change. Where does the being with becoming come from?

Because if existence is also a duality, of being and becoming, and non existence doesnt exist. Then duality is the most eternal and infinite and absolute reality that exists.

There is nothing more absolute than existence itself. Non existence literally doesnt exist. And if existence is nothing more than a duality of being and becoming, then existence is a duality. And then only duality can exist. Forever. Even beyond time and space. Duality would then be the most absolute reality in and of existence and even as existence itself.

[iamthat]

Some might consider this the ultimate question - how does something arise out of nothing?

Some philosophies express this in terms of numbers. The Zero becomes One which becomes Two (which is really Three) which becomes Seven which manifests as the ten thousand things.

Or some say that the Absolute first expresses as Sound ("In the beginning was the Word...") which expresses as Light which becomes Vibration which becomes Energy which then manifests as Form.

Or some may say that the Absolute expresses as Purusha (Spirit) and Prakriti (Primordial Matter) out of which is born Consciousness out of which all else comes.

But for me the ultimate question is not how but why? Why does anything exist at all?

I have no idea.

Peace

Originally Posted by Ewwerrin

How does a being, that is being without becoming (existence as existence itself), how does that become a being with becoming?

Hi..
Sorry, I couldn't understand this. What is 'being'? and what does it became/becoming/will become?

Is it like, Water becoming waves and whirlpools and rivers and streams and falls and pond and ocean? Like, full moon becoming half after 7 days and becomes extinct after 7 days and becoming half again after 7 days and becomes full again after 7 days?

Please explain me this, as I am very ignorant and foolish, and I can learn and understand.

Thank you.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by O K Viswanath

Hi..Sorry, I couldn't understand this.

I do not understand it either, you are not alone. If it were said in a diff way, I'm sure I could.

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

I do not understand it either, you are not alone. If it were said in a diff way, I'm sure I could.

Even if it said in different way, I can't understand.

Just to pass time I am asking this, as I know I can't.

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by O K Viswanath

What is 'being'? and what does it became/becoming/will become?

My original response was based on the following interpretation:

Being is a state of limitless unchanging formless existence.

Becoming pertains to experience within limited ever-changing form.

Hence the question, how does something come out of nothing?

The principles which apply to the manifestation of Creation (the macrocosm) also apply to the manifestation of a human being (the microcosm).

The idea of becoming implies that something changes from one limited state to a different limited state. Human experience and growth is a continual process of becoming. This usually means some kind of expansion and development in our capacities.

The difficulty is that no amount of change will lead us to changelessness. No amount of expansion will make something limited into something which is limitless.

So how does limitless Being contract into a state of limited experience? And how does limited experience lead us back to a state of limitless existence?

As for the later part of the original post about existence as a duality and duality being absolute reality, this is indeed confusing so I did not attempt to answer this. Perhaps Ewwerrin can clarify what is meant.

Peace

[Ewwerrin]

I actually cant write rifht now but ill try. because i wppreciate so much this amazing clarity from iamthat. sry it may be wrotten weird.

Originally Posted by iamthat

My original...
... Peace

This is amazing... I never thought another person on this planet ever even knew, or could even know, about this question. You explained it waaay better than me. And the part that you mentioned was confusing, was literally me expressing my own confusion. Regarding conclusions from certain experimental assumptions.

, like change and unchanging are equal, and so then its a paradox and contradiction, which means, existence exists as much as it does not. Which obviously cannot be because non existence doesnt exist.

I can talk hours about this but cant at the moment. Existence covers a whole lot of things, ohviously, lol.

Especially now, I cannot explain it better, because it's a complicated subject and I need clarity of mind.

But ty for explaining my question so well. This is probably the most significant question that I have ever found. And yet very confusing to talk about it. And to think that another human being, or just another being that can communicate at all!, to think that someone would understand. At all. This question that I am having, and care so much about.

Woah... Makes my interest in the subject feel less lonely lol.

I used to know allot of people had interest in this and then they dissapeared from my experience.

Originally Posted by iamthat

Hence the question, how does something come out of nothing?

The fool says "I don't know".

Originally Posted by O K Viswanath

But, If I was speaking, what would I say to a
serious inquirer (but not to a Advaitin follower - because it will hurt them) is

Not really. Maya (Prakriti) is a power of Saguna Brahman (Isvara) and Saguna Brahman is an appearance of Nirguna Brahman.

The other thing you have to ask yourself is if you are concerned about hurting Advaitans why post this in the non-duality sub-form and point out it will hurt them and your remedy is a disclaimer you're not speaking about it in scriptural (spiritual) terms? At least be honest and especially with yourself. Stick to your guns.

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

Not really. Maya (Prakriti) is a power of Saguna Brahman (Isvara) and Saguna Brahman is an appearance of Nirguna Brahman.

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Oh..... Okay sir. Great answer. I didn't know it before.

I'm sorry, I won't post it in non-dual forum. I edited and removed it.

All my words are ignorant, those are to be thrown to trash. Please forget my misunderstandings.

Yes sir, I am not honest to myself, have you been as a fool/idiot/stupid?

You know sir, If one stick to their guns, it is the ultimate hurt I ever seen to others. So, I am very flexible. Just share my foolish thoughts, and if people feel I am hurting them, I buy it back and end smoothly. I want only people to be happy, but not concerned about me/my guns/my honesty. I am ready to hurt myself and sometimes slap myself too, if people don't feel happy. I leave them then, after sometime comeback to share if I feel I changed/to share something new. If they finally-truly fixed me as a bad person, then I leave them. I only value peeps happiness, not me (Hell Viswa). That's why I am a fool.

As I said I am not speaking scriptures anymore, I sometimes foolishly think "Maybe they are asking this question seriously and not to pass time here praising Non-duality,etc.?", and so I replied to iamthat my foolish thoughts. I feel, even if someone asks questions, I won't open my mouth sharing my foolishness. A new learning to me now to add to my ignorance/stupidity. Two days back, I thought to answer only to those who question me. I thought, maybe my stupidity might be helpful to their questions. But now, I change that too, never open my mouth even if someone asks questions to me, and share my idiocy. I will test it out tomorrow in a zoom meet, then I feel that's the end for me in forums and meets, and dwell in my foolishness, and let peeps be happy without involving in their life as I hurt. This I feel very deep in my heart.

Thank you.

Sorry.