A Little About Becoming Gods

A Little About Earth History and Gods


Some forms of religions teach that we all will become as gods..... someday. This concept is both exo and eso (teric) in it's origins. This idea is one which which used to occupy a mainstream ideal. That was a very long, long time ago. It is almost forgotten now. It is found in two places. First in the texts of several major religions but none of these explicitly credits the source of such ideas properly. Instead of explaining it they mention it as though it were some ancillary idea not central to salvation. Are we to become in some ways like God? The answer is both “yes” and “no” at the same time.

The Earth has played host to three previous periods of humanity and is now in the fourth. Each of these has come and gone in turn. The cyclic form in nature is one that works quite satisfactorily. Cleansing and rebirth followed by fresh periods of growth are proven methods. Now consider two parallel sets of evolving life. First are those which are products of the Earth. Second are those who grew to maturity elsewhere then came here to expand on a new world. These offworlders have had an interest in our planet, and many others too, since the times of the acidic oceans. It is they who brought to our planet the beginnings of biological life, the simpler forms which were then placed in the shallow seas where, in warm waters, they thrived and adapted to our world. It was the offworlders who were the forces behind what we call the Cambrian Explosion. The earliest animal forms that hosted human souls were not great apes but another species which had the ability to think in complex terms. These, although they were quadrupeds, had the required opposing “thumbs”. These though proved to be unsatisfactory and were discarded in favor of the later. So it can be said that early on various forms were considered but that the bipedal apes were finally decided upon as being best for this world. These then were paid closer attention. Assistance in the form of genetic modifications was directed. The above is a brief summary of the lives of this planet only. There was more.

To recap human beings have lived and passed into history three times in the history of the Earth but only in this latest, the fourth time, are those human beings almost entirely “of the Earth”. Civilizations past were colonials to this world. In this round only we see humanity as it evolved from primitive, proto, Earth produced, human forms. This is the time of the hybrids. We are they.

While it is true that the creatures of our world were being prepared there were, in those days, true human beings of advanced forms which had come from and who were descended from others who traveled here from far away worlds with the intent of permanent colonization. These were the offworlders, some of whom are still with us today. Traces of their activities are found today in Africa but this could be misleading. Of all the continents Africa is the most stable. Because of this that land better holds it’s history which is found by researchers. Other lands are less so inclined. A partner to Africa is South America. Look here for more evidences of early times. But in the Earth each of the major landmasses was populated in like manner. Indeed this fact is the reason why we find different races of men around the world. They each have different origins.

Without becoming too immersed in history I will continue and say that, yes, there were human beings alive on this planet before and during the times of the dinosaurs. They lived in small groups isolated from the larger land masses. These were colonials though, not products of Earth evolution. These found physical security in both underground and island refuges. They were the colonials. During the long ages humanity from other worlds lived and thrived. They were engaged with their own but they, also, were busy developing those Earth forms which would later supplant them. These are the folk who later be called “gods”. Their work proceeded in two areas. First they themselves were busy with their own adaptation to this world. They knew they would never return to their home planets. They were now “of the Earth”. Second were those proto human forms which then were still being developed physically with the help of these more evolved types. The two groups lived side by side, almost. They each had lands unto themselves. But now a more interesting story begins.

As the Earthlings came into maturity the others judged it was time for a more direct association. The early stories relate these times as being those when gods walked the Earth along side men. This was based on fact. Indeed the forms had so advanced that now it was in some cases only with great difficulty that the origins of a man could be discerned. Yet there was more to be done. Now a new phase began. In three areas of the planet the gods began to live among men. One of these was in our Middle East of today. It was because of their efforts that Earth humans so suddenly developed the trappings of civilization learning agriculture and animal husbandry for instance as well as other skills such as boat building. It was then that these folk changed from hairy nomads to hairless home builders. Earlier although the two groups were known to each other they remained somewhat aloof. We have a story of the first of these living in a garden. It is based on fact of course. The “garden” was their area bounded and separated from the others who lived nearby. The relative isolation was a requirement of the plan for the future. The interbreeding which would have resulted for full integration would not have served the higher purpose of the time. We now find gods living somewhat isolated from men. Regardless of the times it is true that human beings, no matter their origins, are very much the same. Be they Earthlings or colonials none are immune to those frailties which are essential to all flesh. Some of the the colonials disobeyed what then was a directive. They began to seek their own paths independently of the authority of the times. They were selfishly disobedient. These times are remembered now in out stories of “sons of gods intermingling with the daughters of men”. This is the set of facts which gave rise to the colorful story of Adam and Eve in the garden and their “fall” from “grace”… separation from the Will of God. Etc etc… In the story we read of the sons of these two finding wives in the “land of Nod”. This was an area inhabited by purer blood Earth humans (hybrids under development). Now on the Earth in this one area we find colonials casting off the bonds to their own history and disobediently abandoning authority in favor of their own ideas. Yet they remained true in some areas. Their disobedience was to do with breeding directly with Earth humans and moving to be more fully integrated with them. This was not considered desirable. In one way they retained the desire of quickly improving the line of now hybrid human beings; mixtures of both Earth and Alien men. It was made a law that no superior female would be allowed to mate with any purer blooded Earth man. This would insure the speedy transition from old to new types with the older Earth lines disappearing. It was not easy to tell the difference between an Earth man and one of the new group so in order to assure compliance it was mandated that the newer type of men be circumcised. All females were told then to avoid mating with any uncircumcised male. This is the true origin of that practice which was continued by the groups that would on day become the Jews and by others too. There are isolated groups of humans who practice this ancient rite for no apparent reason besides that it is “tradition”. This is where it came from. This single practice is the reason we find today the sudden replacement of older types of humans in Europe (for instance) by newer more capable types.

Does any of the above remind us of tales of some “war in heaven”? This is the truth behind that event which was of the lower spiritual and physical realms (heaven).

A special note here to clarify what has been given. The garden represented the isolated living of the offworlders. The failure to be obedient to the original purpose of their leadership is portrayed as being disobedient to God. The snake has long symbolized the Earth as opposed to the higher spiritual realms. It is thus the serpent which is the vehicle of temptation in the story. Through this we see the offworlders finding powerful attractive forces and being lured away from the original plan. The blame is accorded to the female only because it is the female which binds spirits to a world. The female is the essential human form. The males are, in truth, derived from her. In this sometimes inconvenient truth can we find reminders of the Earth Mother or the divine feminine? In the higher spiritual realms there are no genders as we might discern them. As souls move lower though they become separated from created essence. Evidence of this is apparent in the opposing rudimentary physical attributes we each carry.

Another interesting aspect of the dual families of men then active in the world was to do with teaching. In those days large population centers were established each with centers of instruction. Cities and temples had their origins then. Those sites which we call temples now were originally intended to be centers of learning. Here the new breed of men were brought to learn the skills which would lead them to the future. It was good. For a long time this idea bore fruit. But then the time came at which the older types, the colonials who had since made peace with their authorities. To become more fully integrated into the Earth. This is noted as the time when the gods left the Earth. They did not leave but merely ceased overt activities. Full integration was now at hand. As a part of this transition earth men were appointed heads of, guardians, of the learning centers. They would take over for what before had been solely the realm of the “gods”. For a while all was well but then these began to take advantage of their positions of authority. They corrupted purpose. Now instead of being teachers who led to the future they changed and became priests who promoted worship of the gods of old. And they, of course, occupied positions of authority Thus we find that the earlier centers of leaning became temples of worship. Now the priests became a class of men and women who had the supposed ability to intercede on behalf of supplicants. This was the beginning of religions on Earth. Since then it has continued and flourished in all lands. In the beginning, temples were places where men and women would go to learn. This changed. Now temples were places men and women went to worship. This was a perversion of purpose.

In the above can we see the true origins of our traditions of temples being home to gods? Can we begin to understand how they became centers of worship? It is all true.

The above story is an encapsulated form of the true history of humanity on Earth. Earlier cycles were much different. It was only in this last time that the Earth forms were ready to become human. This advent is the story which holds more interest because it it’s historical aspect. We are able to relate and understand. Looking into the distant past we find alien human beings in all ages of the planet but only in this latest time do we see the final evolution of the forms which will house a human soul. The business of the colonials was overseeing evolution. This was what their mission on this world was. Our present forms are the result. And when we look into the night skies do we see them still? Yes. The offworlders have never left. They are still busy. It is they who are engaged in further genetic research.

Now we return to the idea of men becoming gods. In the above narrative can we find a reason why this goal was a realistic one? Can we not see that the Earth humans of the day might one day become like the others who were more advanced, the gods? It is no more complicated than that. Well almost no more complicated. There really is more to the story.

So far in this piece we have not mentioned anything to do with spirituality. We spoke more of the story of physical humans on planets, this Earth in particular. But the spiritual worlds and our livingness in them is something which transcends physical living. No matter where in our galaxy human beings come from they have in common spiritual souls which are the true progeny, the line “eternal”.

I’ll try not to get too long and involved with this part. There is something to say which really is very simple. I’ll try to make it concise and interesting.

As has been said many times the purpose of creation is simply to continue the expressiveness of deity. It is no more complicated than that. What do Gods do? They express resulting in expansion. When viewed from the physical we discover an ever growing universe. From our viewpoint this means we will expect to “see” an expansion of the “body of god” perhaps in some less than overt way. We are, after all, greatly limited by our position in the grander scheme of things. It’s hard to understand greater purpose when we are limited by what we find on our planet. But there is more.

Human souls are born to spirit not in perfection but in innocence. They begin their long journeys with the eventual goal of becoming god like themselves. Here it is easy to see a correlation between the men of the Earth (in particular) and the souls, the spiritual men of the universe. Each shares the same goal but from a different viewpoint. The souls of men will achieve only when they have achieved sufficient stores of wisdom. Since this is only the result of hard experience it is necessary for souls to come to physical worlds where they live until they have learned. Only in the lower spiritual realms can adversity be met and overcome. This is the reason for it all. As in the Earth the men of old sought godhood so do human souls. As we live and express here we are bounded by a cycle which is not noticeable to the average man. We will know when we gain higher vision that existence is somewhat circular in nature. In our association with the physical and lower spiritual worlds we seem to move outward and then slow and reverse. Now we begin a homeward path. This is somewhat illusive but think about it and find that there is a sense of comfort derived. This originates in our innate familiarity with our longer story. Each of us is a part of the cyclic nature of existence.

Remember now the story of Earth men who would become “as gods”. Apply this idea again but now look higher into the spiritual worlds which support and give livingness to our physical one. As our souls grow through experience gained in thousands of lifetimes they too near the time when they will evolve into a new form. Human souls today are the post human beings of tomorrow. This is the truth of spiritual evolution as we are given to understand it here on Earth. As a woman or a man nears completion (of the cycle of lives) he or she changes from the awareness of the individual and moves into a the group consciousness of a greater form which is positioned to proceed. This is the way of the world. We adopt individuality only because it is appropriate to the Earth. Souls, before and after Earth living are collective. In the post human life we gain functionality on a level which seems from our point of view here to be one that only gods would have. We do not merely live. In the post human worlds we learn to create. In the beginning of this new experience we are yet close to the lower spiritual realms and it is upon these that we do most of our work. But… we sometimes have dealings with physical worlds too. This is our future…

There is one other aspect to this new mode of experience. In certain of the lower spiritual planes there is a direct relationship with the physical. Those souls which now normally live on the higher end of the astral, for instance, retain the ability to “change down” and become dense physical when the need is sufficient. This is more than just an interesting feat designed to impress. The reason for this close association is related to the requirement for responsibility (to us). The more advanced human souls, now in group formation, will have need to live in both worlds. An example of this is seen in our stories of “angels” who appear to men. Saints some of these are called. And the appearance is a matter of convenience. The Lady of Fatima for instance is one such. The angel Michael who visited various humans in history is another. Jesus appearing to the disciples in the upper room following his resurrection is another. This was simply of changing down to the gross physical for a short time. There are men and women alive today on the Earth who are parts of these more advanced, post human groups. They live in isolation but are busy all the time with duties involving the administration of the interfaces between the physical and lower physical realms. They serve as environmental custodians. The spiritual worlds of which we are a functioning part are not limited to us or to our planet. Those more advanced brothers and sisters who have been guiding us are also involved with their own spiritual
evolution. This is that which binds us all together. Indeed it is this single fact which has caused the expansion of live throughout our galaxy.

Here is something to consider which will serve to continue these thoughts. Here on our physical world we find physical beings (human beings) from Earth and from elsewhere. This is still true. They are still working and guiding us. Now consider the “supra physical”. In the lower spiritual realms (planes or densities of some traditions) we find the same arrangement. Higher spiritual beings interacting with lower. Both of these evolutionary forces have direct correspondence. The lower reflects the higher. This one sentence reveals much to those who are able to fully understand. But few of us are so equipped. We have to move as we are able.

As we consider what is given we may come to the further realization that our experiences are limited to the physical and lower spiritual worlds for a very long time. What do we really know of the higher realms? Very little. There is another topic of interest in this area. What, really, are the gods that we revere? Who is our supreme deity and where does he/she live? Does God have a body? Is there really only one deity for all of creation? These questions will be the topic of another talk for those who find such things interesting. This topic will include the universal promulgatory method known to us as astrology. In a future topic we will have a closer look at the heavens which surround the Earth and the ways and a little about our interaction with them.

It is true. We will someday be gods. But the "we" is nothing to do with Earthly personalities. As we leave the human experience behind joining in new forms those memories of our beginnings will no longer exist.

Please consider the above story and enlarge it with your own thoughts. Let our minds lead the way… As you do this recall the ideas represented by “ascension”, “resurrection”, “completion”, “salvation” and others. Do any of these sound familiar?



Bartholomew



Please forgive any grammatical errors and typos. I will try to correct these as they are found.

[running]

there may be some grammer errors. plenty readable. angel came up angle probably from an automatic spell fixer perhaps. easy enough to tell you meant angel.

i will just mention a couple things. in the context you were speaking from. information such as you presented is not what naturally comes to me. psychic or otherwise except for times that i suppose it to be important for me.

with that said. in that experience beings came to me to speak out for the sake of my awakening process. to bring a new awareness of how things are through their eyes. in that their knowing of what was going on and what would be gives me some validity on who they were and what they were. its more like being them rather than something from outside. so i guess best thought of in my eyes as an experience of oneness with a group in that experince.

ok. i know im talking in circles but im trying to paint a picture to share how and why and that it could be valid since everything shown for lack of a better word checked out. in reguards to things in the physical world i can clearly see happen as they said would. which was many. to me anyways. i gueds i should add they said its good when getting information to check things out in the physical world to make sure it is in fact true.

they made a remark about being aliens and clearly said they were the original jews. for me im set up for feeling my way for the sake of shiva and shakti. bliss and silence. so i share this. and say the other stuff checked out. so there to me is some validity. some. for me anyways. to be clear. speculation. i don't know.

from the viewpoint of bliss and silence. not to take anything away from the thread. as this is a completely different perspective. a guru once told me. god is not a person, place, or thing. from that view point is very true.

[Pagandell]

Yeah really interesting, most of what you are saying here is what I have been thinking about just

recently. Lots of food for thought, I'm going to re read a bit what you have shared, much thanks.

[Mr Interesting]

The other day a fellow wrote, not here but on facebook, that honesty is directly proportional to courage... he is very adept with words and how to set them out to achieve a certain stridency worthy of note, which in this day and age, and I suppose all others, is of a charisma many find pervays a sense of clarity. He went on to say that this courage, to be honest, becomes, as it were, that which we might spend more time on, being more honest and that to do so has us finding walls in the sense of hitting denial in others.

So I wrote something myself. I wrote that our own honesty isn't so much a mountain to stand atop so much as 'fitting' it, even if it be a small hill, to others sense of being honest and not specifically that our own honesty is acknowledged so much that it accords in others the sense their own courage can be drawn upon.

I have found recently, and am moving to understand, that much of how we come to understand the world, as the particularly Western world understands itself, resolves around a sense of proofs told; that accorded virtue and acknowledgement move towards such, and that the 'problematic' nature of this is that people have a tendency then to award trust externally as opposed to realising such internally.

It isn't though that I have answers and actually I don't tend to believe that answers are particularly worthwhile so much that I reckon it is the nature of questions that require more of our time. Yes we have a question but therein has it an underlying level? Is there a more fundamental question below the question we ask? Is the surface question possibly more about the perception it sits within and the actual underlying question requires, as it were, a perception yet to be garnered?

Possibly this then is what meditation might be; that the questions are held as lightly as possible, even left to go free, as a bird might wing itself away from a bough and that we just watch the flight, see where it might go, find, as between breathes, the space between each wing beating?

Originally Posted by Mr Interesting

Possibly this then is what meditation might be; that the questions are held as lightly as possible, even left to go free, as a bird might wing itself away from a bough and that we just watch the flight, see where it might go, find, as between breathes, the space between each wing beating?

Takes my breath away...

Thank you Mr Interesting...

A bow,

JL

PS Thank you OP for this space also

[Unseeking Seeker]

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Wow! What started off as a deep spiritual insight as always by Bartholomew from the realm of pure light, it is inspiring to read the posts of running & Mr Interesting.

Fragrance of love abounds in the air
Why then be our attention elsewhere?

Love & Light

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[Miss Hepburn]

Not that I didn't know this, but I really 'got it' after reading this...
it is such a necessity...truly that 'iron in the fire' thing we must go through.

Thank you.
"Human souls are born to spirit not in perfection but in innocence. They begin their long journeys with the eventual goal of becoming god like themselves. Here it is easy to see a correlation between the men of the Earth (in particular) and the souls, the spiritual men of the universe. Each shares the same goal but from a different viewpoint. The souls of men will achieve only when they have achieved sufficient stores of wisdom. Since this is only the result of hard experience it is necessary for souls to come to physical worlds where they live until they have learned. Only in the lower spiritual realms can adversity be met and overcome.
This is the reason for it all."

I should add, I know, happily we certainly are meant to be gods!
For those interested they may very much
enjoy 'SuperBeings' by John Randolph Price on this, also...anything by him actually...like 'Nothing Is Too Good To Be True'...
good title, eh?

At first this sentence, I was not thrilled with,
"As we consider what is given we may come to the further realization that our experiences
are limited to the physical and lower spiritual worlds for a very long time"

But, in a second, I said, Oh well, I will be where I am meant to be....what do I care, it's all part of the perfection.
Then, I like you said this...this is more where my head is : "
"As we leave the human experience behind joining in new forms
those memories of our beginnings will no longer exist.
I'm 'working towards' that.

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

Not that I didn't know this, but I really 'got it' after reading this...
it is such a necessity...truly that 'iron in the fire' thing we must go through.

Thank you.
"Human souls are born to spirit not in perfection but in innocence. They begin their long journeys with the eventual goal of becoming god like themselves. Here it is easy to see a correlation between the men of the Earth (in particular) and the souls, the spiritual men of the universe. Each shares the same goal but from a different viewpoint. The souls of men will achieve only when they have achieved sufficient stores of wisdom. Since this is only the result of hard experience it is necessary for souls to come to physical worlds where they live until they have learned. Only in the lower spiritual realms can adversity be met and overcome.
This is the reason for it all."

I should add, I know, happily we certainly are meant to be gods!
For those interested they may very much
enjoy 'SuperBeings' by John Randolph Price on this, also...anything by him actually...like 'Nothing Is Too Good To Be True'...
good title, eh?

At first this sentence, I was not thrilled with,
"As we consider what is given we may come to the further realization that our experiences
are limited to the physical and lower spiritual worlds for a very long time"

But, in a second, I said, Oh well, I will be where I am meant to be....what do I care, it's all part of the perfection.
Then, I like you said this...this is more where my head is : "
"As we leave the human experience behind joining in new forms
those memories of our beginnings will no longer exist.
I'm 'working towards' that.

If you will allow me I will add a few things that were not included in the post but which serve to answer those more difficult questions.

We are learning to create. More will be said about this in a future topic but in general to speak too much of this sort of thing too early can be overwhelming. No matter which path we choose in our post human existence the skills, the ability to create in the lower planes, will be a requirement. This responsibility is too great to be entrusted to an individual personality. The decisions of the wise mandate that only groups of advanced souls have the accumulations of wisdom which are required. But it is also about wielding greater amounts of power than any single human being can manage. This is one aspect of the next round of existence following the human cycle.

I refer to the law of correspondences now when I suggest that from our present plane we may identify great wisdom and perhaps we will stand in awe. But consider this.... When we gain the higher levels we find that our minds are equal to the tasks. So... what appears to be wisdom when viewed from below becomes ordinary after we are raised up. This means that we humans are quite limited in many ways. This is a truth which is the primary reason for the existence of religions on this planet. If we truly understood much more about the nature of spiritual reality religions would be pointless. Faith will have been replaced by sure knowledge.

The above statement hints at how we will have changed after true ascension. We cannot approach these things as individuals. Our minds are as yet too incapable. We would be harmed. This is the reason why human beings cannot leave the cycle as individuals. Only in competent group formation can the energies of the higher levels of mind be known and wielded. The post human existence is, from our standpoint, quite unbelievable. Part of ascension is becoming "more". We, in group formation and with a single group consciousness, will have a mind which is much, much greater, more capable than anything we can imagine as individuals here right now. To wield such power requires great stores of wisdom and thus the long preparatory period on the Earth as humans.

Truly advanced human beings sense all this and because of their involvement on the cusp so to speak of the next cycle they almost always remove themselves and live in isolation much of which is spent in deep meditation.

So the business of the next cycle is in one word: creation. This skill is of paramount importance to those high beings which are responsible for the mechanics of physical universe management. For instance one group may be involved with formation of suns in a nebula or perhaps oversee some planetary transition somewhere for some particular purpose. Or... another group might be in the business of guiding the evolutional changes in the atmosphere or in the biological life forms of some planet somewhere. Or maybe the work will be closer to home. Many such groups stay in service to the Earth. The Earth is as it is because it is directed and maintained specifically to be home to us all. This sort of information is too much for general dissemination. Too unbelievable. But it is truth.

One last item of information is this. We work so very hard for so long and finally we graduate and leave. Is it that simple? Do we just float out of our bodies for the last time and join some group which is forming to go off for new adventures? No. There is one last thing that applies to all efforts no matter where, what plane, they take place on. As we live our lives, even right now, every time we do something worthy we also, usually without even having a clue, raise up, just a tiny bit... maybe a few atoms, of material in our sphere of influence. This process continues. The wise among us have known or at least suspected this since the earliest times. We work to improve ourselves but there is much more. We are also working to cause eventual planetary ascension. Every part of our body is affected when we do good in the world. And when we achieve are are raised up but we also raise up a little of the lower plane too. This is sensed by us. Things like this great esoteric truth are what we would find if we knew how to look into "love" to find the true meaning.

When the Earth is finally in completion becoming a "pastel" world it will be because we humans, through our own efforts, caused it to be so.

Exoteric teachings tell us if we obey the law we will be rewarded, saved.
Esoteric teachings bid us cooperate knowingly with the law for the glory of all.

Before one can move from exo to eso we must have achieved a certain plateau upon which the inclination for selfish thinking has no place.

Please forgive any typos. This is channeled and the connection is stronger than usual. I hope it makes sense to you.

James/Bartholomew

[vijay mehra]

Awesome.True everything is cyclical in nature.

[vijay mehra]

Yes. we are all powerful creators Not passive observers. Based on our intentions all of us are creating the New World.