Human despite science

[Electric_Dreams]

Oh I believe there is some factual basis. As for the whole world not being covered by a flood you said it was disproved not me, and as the bible only covering a small portion of the earth a flood drowning that area could have been possible, dont know if this is true as I dont have the means to test it myself!
The wise men came from the east, and in my opinion took him away for a few years which is why alot of his life record is missing. And when he came back to the middle east, he had the knowledge of how to heal with only his hands, a miracle to all around him at the time but rationally explained now the whole world knows of eastern ancient healing techniques such as reiki.
I believe people just got carried away with a prophecy and didnt know better. I do not think the bible is pure myth...though I do believe it possible for the basis of other countries mythology could hold some fact even if it was blown to enormous story telling preportions.

As for Adam and Eve, in science the two came at completely different times in our evolution, but Adam had a first wife called Lilith before that maybe this is why the adam n eve story doesnt exactly fit right in science.

From the posts you have made Im unsure which side of the fence you are now in first instance you seem to be against science for disproving bible events, but your last post feels otherwise...sorry for my confusion but could you explain your stand on all this for curiosuties sake⭐❤⭐

[Electric_Dreams]

I am reletively new to the nternet world of communication this is the only forum I am a member of...can you suggest any other sites which focus on expanding thought and theory?

Originally Posted by Electric_Dreams

As for the whole world not being covered by a flood you said it was disproved not me, and as the bible only covering a small portion of the earth a flood drowning that area could have been possible, dont know if this is true as I dont have the means to test it myself!

I did say it. The Earth was not covered by a flood as the Bible says.
Yes, it is possible that the Middle East was flooded at one time, but there is no evidence to suggest it ever was.

The wise men came from the east, and in my opinion took him away for a few years which is why alot of his life record is missing. And when he came back to the middle east, he had the knowledge of how to heal with only his hands, a miracle to all around him at the time but rationally explained now the whole world knows of eastern ancient healing techniques such as reiki.

The wise men never existed. They are only mentioned in one of the many gospels (there are several more than the four in the bible).

As for Adam and Eve, in science the two came at completely different times in our evolution, but Adam had a first wife called Lilith before that maybe this is why the adam n eve story doesnt exactly fit right in science.

Adam and Eve are just myth. Like Pandora and Prometheus were for the Greeks.

From the posts you have made Im unsure which side of the fence you are now in first instance you seem to be against science for disproving bible events, but your last post feels otherwise...sorry for my confusion but could you explain your stand on all this for curiosuties sake⭐❤⭐

I like the bible. I like most mythologies (Greek is my favourite) and I find wisdom there. However, I do not believe it is true.
Regarding Jesus, I think he was a wise and spiritual man who has been misrepresented and misinterpreted by those who came after him.

[Electric_Dreams]

So you believe the bible is to be regarded with the same mannor as other mythologies?
Interesting. Again refering to the flood, I believe they have found what they believe to be remainders of the Ark on mount Ararat as is foretold...I dont believe alot science teaches us to be honest as with carbon dating its all derived from one theory on top of another. But some scientific basic knowledge and the common sense we have been given is another thing.
As to the origional post, I have to agree that sciences theory ontop of theory approach to demystifying peoples faith...I agree they are no better than writing fairytails as fact than the bible writers were.
And though I have every respect for a persons beliefs no matter what they believe as spirituality is and should be an individual connection and understanding of the divine or as I believe conciousness, and I think every man or woman with any belief is better and more open minded than those without...and every belief from christianity, islam, buddism, greek pantheonism and science all believe the same thing just interpret and percieve it differently⭐❤⭐

[sarek]

There are several levels to religious texts like the Bible

1. the story level. This is designed to be easy to remember and communicate
2. the factual level. What really happpened might be very different from what the book says happened.
3. the exoteric moral level. The book gives easy to use moral rules to keep you safe, even if you dont understand what it means or why
4. the esoteric level. The book is a recipe to find the truth for yourself. At this level, its meaning changes as your level of being changes.

[Electric_Dreams]

Yes Sarek...I totally see what you mean. Its just people sometimes take the story bit a little too literally then argue about it lol

Originally Posted by Electric_Dreams

So you believe the bible is to be regarded with the same mannor as other mythologies?
Interesting. Again refering to the flood, I believe they have found what they believe to be remainders of the Ark on mount Ararat as is foretold...I dont believe alot science teaches us to be honest as with carbon dating its all derived from one theory on top of another. But some scientific basic knowledge and the common sense we have been given is another thing.
As to the origional post, I have to agree that sciences theory ontop of theory approach to demystifying peoples faith...I agree they are no better than writing fairytails as fact than the bible writers were.

That idea about the bible being a myth is now called the mythicist position.

Author/archeologist D.M. Murdock has a good site with lots of articles and a forum:
http://www.truthbeknown.com/articles.html

Here is an excerpt from her article on the flood stories:

"Rather than being a historical figure who was the progenitor of three races, Noah is a fictitious character found in the mythologies of a number of different cultures globally, as opposed to being limited to one area and its specific peoples. The Bible story represents a rehash of other myths, changed to revolve around these particular peoples.

Like other biblical tales, the myth of Noah is found in India, Egypt, Babylon, Sumer and other places. The fact is that there have been floods and deluge stories in many different parts of the world, including but not limited to the Middle East. In the Sumerian tale, which predated the biblical by thousands of years, the ark was built by Ziusudra; in Akkad, he was Atrakhasis, and in Babylon, Uta-Napisthim. The Greek Noah was called Deucalion, "who repopulated the earth after the waters subsided" and after the ark landed on Mt. Parnassos. The Armenian flood hero was called Xisuthros, "whose ark landed on Mt. Ararat." Noah's "history" can likewise be found in India, where there is a "tomb of Nuh" near the river Gagra in the district of Oude or Oudh, which may be related to Judea and Judah. The "ark-preserved" Indian Noah was also called "Menu."

Like Noah, the Sumero-Armenian Ziusudra/Xisuthros had three sons, including one named "Japetosthes," essentially the same as Noah's son Japheth, also related to Pra-japati or Jvapeti, son of the Indian Menu, whose other sons possessed virtually the same names as those of Noah, i.e., Shem and Ham. As Oxford University Hebrew professor George Henry Bateson Wright says in Was Israel ever in Egypt? (51):

JAPHETH - Ewald...shows, with great probability, that this was a god of the north, as Ham was of the south, once again in imitation of Hindu mythology. Moreover, the fact, that in the Armenian legend, derived from "Assyrian or Babylonian documents," the three sons of Xisuthros, who corresponds to Noah, are Zervin, Titan, and Japetosthe, is very instructive, suggesting that the unknown foreign word was retained in its original form...

"Coincidentally," it was said that the Egyptian god Osiris was shut up in his ark on the very same day that Noah was likewise so disposed, as I relate in Suns of God (90):

When Osiris's enemies pursue him, he enters into his "boat" on precisely the same date recorded of "Noah's" entrance into his ark, Athyr 17th...long before the biblical tale was invented. Noah is not a Jewish "patriarch" but a sun god, and the tale of entering and exiting the Ark signifies the sun's death and resurrection. The story of the eight passengers in a boat is an astral myth, reflecting the solar system. These eight are equivalent to the Egyptian octet of gods, who sail the ocean in a ship.

Also of interest in this quest are the words attributed to the Babylonian priest Berossus, who described the Flood, giving it a much older date:

The Babylonian Flood itself predates the biblical by about 33,000 years, which demonstrates that the two inundations do not reflect one "historical" flood. Nevertheless, the story of Xisuthras or Ziusudra, the Babylonian Flood king, matches the later biblical account of Noah in important details, a common develoipment with myths. Berossus is even recorded as stating that Ziusudra's ship landed "in the mountains of the Korduaians of Armenia," possibly the Kurdistans, located in the same area where ark-hunters have claimed to have found pieces of "Noah's ark." This story, however, is not historical, and the creation of stone "arks" or ships upon hills was more common than is realized. Moreover, the Noah tale can be found in Mexican mythology: The Mexican Noah is named Nata, while his wife is Nena. In the Indian mythology, in the reign of the "seventh Manu," Satyavrata, the "whole earth" is said to "have been destroyed by a flood, including all mankind, who had beome corrupt." The prince and seven rishis, along with their wives, survived by entering a "spacious vessel," "by command of Vishnu...accompanied by pairs of all animals. (Acharya, Suns of God, 43-44)

Rather than having happened on Earth - a cataclysmic event for which there is no solid, scientific evidence - the story of Noah's Ark actually takes place in the heavens, as Noah and his crew of seven represent the sun, moon, earth and five inner planets. Obviously, Noah's famous "ark," which misguided souls have sought upon the earth, is a motif found in other myths."