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Originally Posted by Still_Waters
I recently attended a presentation at the United Nations Enlightenment Society that was given by a medical doctor (cardiologist) who is also a physicist and a Spiritist. He gave us the same presentation that he made at the World Psychiatric Association in Jerusalem in December , 2019. One of his points was that disincarnate spirits sometimes linger after physical death and can influence the mental and physical health of corporeal beings. He noted that communication with disincarnate beings is possible and this is consistent with the well-documented readings of Edgar Cayce.
Spiritists believe in reincarnation but it is not necessary to believe that in order to relate to what has reportedly been communicated by spirits regarding the nature of birth and the consequences of abortion. The following are quotes from a significant Spiritist book, "The Spirits' Book" published by Allan Kardec. It would be interesting to hear how the ideas presented here resonate with posters here on this very controversial subject.
Keep in mind that I have never really seen much information about exactly when "life" begins with a child, so use these ideas as a starting point for discussion. If anyone has any additional or contrarian information, feel free to post. I am presenting these Spiritist ideas for discussion purposes only. I am not presenting these as facts.
1. The union begins at conception but is only complete at the moment of birth. From the moment of conception, the spirit designated to inhabit a given body is connected to it by a fluidic tie, which gets tighter and tighter up to the instant the child is born.
2. Since the ties that bind it are very tenuous and easy to break, they may actually be severed by the will of a spirit that recoils from the trial it has chosen. In that case, the child does not survive.
3. (In reference to children who die shortly after birth) These cases are often meant as a trial for the parents.
4. Once incarnate, a spirit cannot regret a choice of which it has no awareness.
5. If it thinks the burden is beyond its strength to endure, it may resort to suicide.
6. At the moment of conception, confusion begins to envelop the spirit and it is thereby warned that the time has come to start a new existence.This confusion increases until the time of birth. As the moment of birth approaches, its ideas are erased, as well as its memory of the past, which it is no longer conscious of once it returns to life on the earth. But this memory returns little by little when it reenters the spirit state.
7. Spirits find themselves in a new existence and must learn to use their bodily instruments.
8. The spirit who must animate it exists outside of it, so to speak. Strictly speaking, the fetus has no soul since the current incarnation is only in the process of being accomplished. Nevertheless, the fetus is linked to that soul that it will have.
9. (Regarding abortion) A crime is always committed when the law of God is transgressed. The mother or any other person involved always commits a crime upon taking the life of a child before its birth because it prevents a soul from experiencing the trials for which the unborn's body was to been the instrument.
10. (Regarding the life of the mother at risk) It is better to sacrifice the being who does not yet exist than the being who already exists.
11. (Regarding the fetus) You should see the will of God and the divine handiwork in everything, and not treat lightly the things you ought to respect. Why not respect all the works of creation, which are sometimes incomplete due to the will of the Creator? This is one of the divine designs that no one is called to judge.
NOTE: Since the specific subject of abortion after a rape was not specifically addressed, I asked that question at a Spiritist meeting. The response was that, since the trauma of rape could significantly impact the health of the mother (mental for sure and conceivably physical as well), statement #10 above applies.
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