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Old 20-06-2020, 07:15 PM
Debrah Debrah is offline
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Originally Posted by Altair
I'm sure one can find mountains of ''research'' and info from vegan ''doctors'' saying humans are 'herbivores'. I challenge any self convinced herbivore to live in the wilderness on a vegan diet. Also, no cooking allowed, no fire, no tool use. Lions don't do any of that either and vegans say we need an even playing field.

It's fun to develop new diets but by the end of the day the human body does very well getting its nutrition from animal food ((some allergies here and there, but that's even more common with plant foods)). There were and are no vegan civilizations. Humans hunt(ed) and later on domesticated animals for meat and milk (and other things which are irrelevant here).

Imagine a herbivore species hunting other animals, domesticating them, and being able to digest meat...

Researchers (not vegans) have been studying the fossil records for decades. And some of their findings show the following.

The approximate date of human existence was somewhere around 6.5 million years ago according to the chart on the page. But fossil records suggest that at about 2.5 million years ago, was when hominids began scavenging/hunting meat. So for the first 4 million years of hominid existence, were ‘we’ eating fruits, nuts, tubers and such?

The closest extant evolutionary relatives to humans, i.e., chimpanzees and bonobos, have predominantly frugivorous diets (75), but it is probably an oversimplification to use them as strict models for our common ancestor .....

.....between chimpanzees and later hominins including Homo, suggesting a diet that was fairly general and mixed (150, 167) rather than specialized on one food component such as fruit or tough vegetation.

The large and thick-enameled teeth of australopithecines [~4.1–1.4 million years ago (Mya)] suggest diets that included hard foods (e.g., 154). …… Recent biomechanical modeling studies of craniofacial strain suggested that australopithecines may have used their premolars to open the strong shells of relatively large seeds. However, other researchers focus on starch-rich underground storage organs (USOs), such as bulbs and corms, as a major component of australopithecine diets. Consistent with the idea that USOs were an important food source, fossils of mole rats—USO specialists—are found at the same fossil sites with hominins significantly more often than expected by chance. Moreover, the stable isotope ratio signatures suggest that the co-occurring mole rat and hominin fossils may have been consuming similar foods

….Some of the fossil findings (2.5 million years ago) are consistent with scavenging activities, but on the whole, there is still considerable uncertainty about the relative importance and timing of scavenging versus hunting in hominin evolution......
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4163920/

As far as your little challenge, I challenge you likewise, except, you can't use a gun, a trap, a knife, strings, chains, lights.....to catch your dinner. No fire to cook it, just you, your fingers and those teensy-weensy little canines to hunt, kill and consume. You're also allowed to scavenge road kill and no limits on how long it's been laying there. If you evolved to catch and kill prey, that should be easy and in the case of road-kill, safe(?). Have fun.
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