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Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy
Technically it's not. In theory the only solution to ignorance is knowledge and all one need do is rigorous, determined and single-minded Self inquiry. Who am I?
The two step process isn't of my making. It's literally the heart of the Advaita process of Self realization. Step 0.5 is but a subset of Step 1 and in theory can be achieved multiple ways - meditation, devotion, action - however it's the knowledge of Jnana that sets one free.
One can be mindful and yet not Self realized, lacking discernment between the self and Self and still superimposing the self and Self. Mindfulness is of the self and not Self.
The dualist path, the Yogic path would say the opposite. That it's all about meditation and reaching the deepest state of Samadhi. It would say Advaitins talk too much. LOL!
Its view is there are many Selfs, many Consciousnesses and meditation alone takes one from the self to Self.
From a practical perspective both ends seem the same to me. Both liberate one from the self, the difference being a view of one Self vs. many Selfs. Non-dualism vs. dualism. I suppose one can even say though it seems like two different versions of Self realization it's really not because the discernment between the self and Self is present in both approaches.
I am not the mind or the body but Consciousness, however the Yogic view is Purusha (Consciousness, Self) and Prakriti (Nature, self) are distinct and coequal realities whereas the Advaita view is there is only Purusha (Consciousness, Self) and Prakriti (Nature, self) is but an appearance of and within Purusha. They are not coequal realities but a reality of borrowed existence (Prakriti) of and within a reality of inherent existence (Purusha). A temporal reality of and within an Infinite reality. A transactional reality of and within an Absolute reality.
All that being said I'm speaking to the Advaita perspective and approach, and the chance a path has of producing the desired effect is dependent on depth of understanding of the path combined with a determination to put that understanding into practice(s) prescribed by the path.
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You twist and misunderstand what I say, then you go around and repeat what I say.
“Self”/atman/brahman uses “mental self”/”ego-mind” and body as a tool to describe, and express “Self”/atman/brahman through language. Language creates thoughts (including the thoughts of I am/who am I?), concepts, metaphors, conditioning, fear, and the rest of it.
Self realization/self inquiry is all about realizing that atman is the heart feeling of I am present/presence, thus is conscious/aware of the body’s presence, which the “mental self”/”ego-mind” and body uses language to describe, and express.
Brahman uses atman as a tool to be conscious of itself (Brahman), while atman uses “ego-mind” and body to describe and express atman.
Since brahman uses atman as a tool and atman uses “ego-mind” and body as tools, atman, “ego-mind” and body are all brahman, thus all is one/brahman and brahman/one is all.
Relating/identifying the body to mental “ego mind” is a grave error, because relating/identifying the body to “ego mind” is separating “Self”/atman from itself, and is placing limitations on “self”/ego-mind”, body and “Self”/atman, thus is placing limitations on brahman! The foundation of relating/identifying the body with the mental “ego mind” is what is having you running around in an infinite mental loop/circle bud!
All I am saying is that when one unites or balances his/her “self”/”ego-mind” and body with his/her “Self”/atman, his/her “self”/”ego-mind” and body is or becomes his or her “Self”/atman, thus his/her “self”/”ego-mind” becomes one/whole with his/her “Self”/atman. When one becomes one/whole with his/her atman-body, he/she becomes one/whole with brahman/the right here and right now. This is why all concepts including “self” and “Self”, and “duality” and “non-duality” are irrelevant!
A person needs concepts, metaphors, analogies and etc to understand truth when a person only has part knowledge of the one/whole brahman (like relating/identifying the body to the mental “ego-mind”).
I do not think that I can make it any more clear than what I posted above.