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Old 08-11-2020, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeS80
Perhaps you and I have a different meaning for the self. Self, to me, is the feeling of I/I AM or of being alive, which we are conscious of, as opposed to just thinking I am/me, myself and I inside our heads. We thinking I am/me, myself and I inside our heads is the ego internally describing the self (the feeling of the person being alive/presence in the NOW/present moment).
Yes we do have different words. If you're really going to understand the self and ego then you need to be Googling Jung. If not, then you need to ask yourself the reasons. Frankly I don't see much point in trying to understand each other if there's no common dictionary.

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Yes, the unconscious does have it's owns sense of time, from the ego's point of view. That sense of time in the unconscious is repressed or long forgotten memory, emotions, feelings, experiences, beliefs and etc that we store in the unconscious of the past.
The sense of time has nothing to do with repressed memories, etc. Wat people go forweards with is mostly the memories of perceptions mrather thasn the experience or the events of thew past. Since you mentioned your childhood in fostercare, is't that which shapes your perceptions rather than what actually happened? Because while things were happening at the time, you were forming your own perceptions.


People repress their perceptions/feelings because they either can't or won't deal with them. It maybe to too traumatic to maske sense of or their may be little sense of it, while people in this forum would rather believe it's bad karma from a past Life. The illusion of time givesd people a sense of provress, that "time heals all wounds" etc.


What you are calling "unconscious memory" is the Shadow Self, it's neither unconscious or memory it's repressed perceptions. The memories are still available but in a 'deeper level' of memory than most day-to-day ones. The memories of what actually happened are still there but what really ednures are the perceptions. What i9s triggered is the emotional reaction to those perceptions, and this is what people don't understand. This is where the Self comes in, because much of this happens at an unconscious level.


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Time-the past and the future are nothing but illusions, concepts and habits of the ego. Time is just the earth's movement around the sun. If we human lived on a different planet that rotated around a different sun, time would be different for us then. I mentioned this about time many times on this forum, but people seem to want to ignore and not accept that fact about time. Probably because they want to hold onto their unconscious repressed or long forgotten/unconscious memories, emotions, feelings, experiences, beliefs. People want to give more credit to the illusion of time than it is worth.
If we iveds on a different planet with a different rotation and a different order, we'd still be talking about time the same as we're doing here. What people are not talking about is time itself but a perception of time.

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When someone or something triggers our unconscious repressed or long forgotten unconscious memory, emotions, feelings, experiences, beliefs in the NOW/present moment, we automatically unconsciously act upon or react upon them, without thinking about them. Just because we are not conscious of them NOW, does not mean we can not (never) be conscious of them NOW!
I don't react and I don't get triggered because I've dealt with my past. It's called the Shadow Self, because it's somehere between unconscious and conscious and this is where most people won't go, because it's dark and scary and they don't like admitting that.

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I have went through childhood trauma, abuse, neglect and I had to fend for myself while I was growing up in foster care.
I've dealt with my dark and dismal past.

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I consider not programming to be beliefs, feelings, thoughts, experiences and etc one gets/has from being conscious of/in the NOW/present moment. And is the same as reprogramming the unconscious. The NOW/present moment negates the illusion of time (past and future), Take away the illusions of past and the future and you have the NOW/present moment.
What you're calling 'programming' is cognitive behaviour, and it part it is about 'programming' the unconscious mind because the unconscious 'stores' it's own version of our perceptual reality - the one you really experience rather than the one you're telling yourself you expereince. When there's conflict beteen those two conflict is refelcted in their words and deed.


We still have a sense of past and future, so regardless of how you define time you still have a perception of past and future. What happened to you - or anyone else for that matter - is real enough to you/that person.We carry the past with us.
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