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Old 04-08-2022, 04:20 PM
Rameses
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Post Evidence on the Quran and Sahih Hadith (1).

Evidence on the Quran and Sahih Hadith (1).

Hi All,

The purpose of this thread - and some others - would be to share some researches about the Holy Qur’an and the Hadith (sayings) of the Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ).

If the Bibles are not anymore seeing as reliable writings, referring to the 5.000+ manuscrits found with not even one of them being the same of an other, including the Sinaïtaicus and the Vaticanus Codex, the cuttings during the 17th century, there are still affirmations that the Holy Qu’ran never changed from the revelation to the Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) until our days.

It would by unpalatable to share all the examples existing to show that supposed allegation of the transformations of the Holy Quran, and creation of false Hadith, when one would be sufficient.
So, here just some examples that I am going to discuss little by little, in other Threads :


- Omar and the verses of stoning (Sahih Muslim 1690/1691 and Mouwataa al-Imam Malik).
- Aïcha and a different verse-ayat (Sahih Muslim 629).
- Omar coping the Jews’s false hadiths (Michkat al Massabih).
- Anas testimony 70 years after the death of Muhammad (ﷺ).
- Abu Hurayra confess to have invented an hadith (Sahih Bukhari p. 2048).
- Abu Hurayra and Omar interdiction (Tarikh Madinat Dimachk (Story of Damas)).
- The Qassassine (or storytellers) in Siyar Aalaam al-Noubala’a.
- the Dajjal story (Sahih Muslim pp. 1346, 1347 and 1348).
- Changing the Sunnah (Al Silsila al-Sahiha).
- The creation of the Tarawih by Omar (Sahih Bukhari p. 707).
- The prophet (ﷺ) and witchcraft (Sahih Bukhari p. 2175).
- Omar the new prophet (Jami’a al-Thirmidi).
- The Sunnah Overwrites the Book of Allah (Sunnan al-Darami p. 204).
- a hadith for 1000 dinars (Al-Mouhalaa Volume 11, page 413).
- The Qur’an and the revelation of Allah about Muhammad’s wives (ﷺ) (Qur’an).
- The 2500 errors of spelling, syntax and grammar in the Holy Quran.
- The Sanaa manuscrit.


Hadiths 1452 of Sahih Muslim :
«*‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with, her) reported that it had been revealed in the Holy Qur'an that ten clear sucklings make the marriage unlawful, then it was abrogated (and substituted) by five sucklings and Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) died and it was before that time (found) in the Holy Qur'an (and recited by the Muslims).*»

A well known Hadith.
Sahih Muslim is a collection of hadith compiled by Imam Muslim ibn al-Hajjaj al-Naysaburi (rahimahullah). His collection is considered one of the most authentic collections of hadith in the Sunnah of the Prophet (ﷺ), and together with Sahih al-Bukhari they form the "Sahihain," or the "Two Sahih." It contains about 7500 hadith (with repetitions) in 57 books.

Aisha is the wife of the prophet (ﷺ) and the daughter of the first caliph Abu Bakr.

This verse-ayat about Breastfeeding can not be found in the modern Qur’an.

In Sunnan Ibn Maja by Ibn Majah, Volume 1, pp. 625 and 626 (Hadith 1944) :
«*…according to Aisha who said :
The verses about stoning and nursing the adult ten times have been revealed. They were in a document under my bed. When the prophet died and we dealt with his death, a pet* came in and ate them.*»

*The word used in Arabic is “dajjin”. Which the dictionary defines as “Poultry or other domesticated animal”.


If you ask any Muslim if the Quran is complete, he will answer you ‘yes’ and that it is protected directly by Allah against any falsification. This dogma is very firmly rooted in Muslim society.

Yet the strongest books of Islam are affirmative : verses were lost after the Prophet's death and no longer exist in current editions of the Quran.
Even in the 5 contemporary more printed Qur’an ; because there are the Hafs’an Aasim (95 percent of printing, more common), the Warsh ’aa Naafi (3 percent), the Qaloon ‘aa Naafi 0.7 percent, the Door ‘aa Aboo Amr 0.3 percent, and the Qur’an Ibn Aamir 1 percent.

Here Ibn Majah announces it clearly by this hadith : a beast ate verses.

Ibn Majah is not just anyone. His book is one of the Six Pillars of Sunnism. In Imam Malik, one of the pillars too, there is the same affirmation : the verse existed in the original Quran.

This story is of course full of contradictions. Knowing that at the time the Koran was mainly transmitted orally by people who had learned it by heart, how to explain that the destruction of a physical medium actually destroys these verses ? If people knew them by heart and recited them as Omar testifies in the Mouataa of Malik, why didn't they just copy them ?

We learn in passing that the Koran also included adult breastfeeding. That is to say that the woman, to avoid concupiscence, had to unfasten her bodice and show her breasts to the men who visited her. They had to suck her breasts so as not to have ulterior motives.

So, or the Sahih Muslim is not Sahih-authentic and never was. Not talking even about the Hadiths of Ibn Majah and Imam Malik.
Or A’isha was lying.
Or the Qur’an has been modified.

Evidence.

Best regards,
R.

Last edited by Rameses : 04-08-2022 at 11:49 PM.