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Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy
If science can explore and examine by definition it's not ineffable.
At one time I was a big fan of Orch-OR as a potential spiritual solution and it is a nifty hypothesis, however that's still within the realm of physical reality, not Spirit.
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With regard to consciousness - the approach via science according to NDEs is that - they don't know. Consciousness, according the them, is NOT a findable part of the physical brain.
This presents a problem with NDEs regarding the fact that they now have to be verified flatline brain dead. If they are not brain dead ... where is this information coming from? One good example is Nan Bush's alleged NDE ... but she was not brain dead. She saw flying yin-yang symbols that said:
“This is all there is. This is all there ever was. This is It. Anything else you
remember is a joke. You are not real. You never existed. Your life never
existed. The world never existed. It was a game you we re allowed to invent. There was never anything, or anyone. That’s the joke—that it was all a joke.”
“Whatever you remember is part of the joke. Your mother, your
babies—they were never real. This is all there is, all there ever was. Just
this.”
“Your life never existed. The world never existed. Your family never
existed. You were allowed to imagine it. You we re allowed to make it up. It was never there. There was nothing there. There never was anything there. You're not real." (Dancing Past the Dark.)
So, where did this come from? Sounds paranormal to me. Her consciousness / spirit / whatever you want to call it, was still there in her body, and was being manipulated by SOMETHING.
Another example is Eben Alexander, who was not flatline brain dead either, and was told by OM (AKA God) that
evil was necessary.
"Evil was present in all the other universes as well, but only in the tiniest trace amounts. Evil was necessary because without it free will was
impossible, and without free will there could be no growth—no
forward movement, no chance for us to become what God longed for
us to be. Horrible and all-powerful as evil sometimes seemed to be in a
world like ours, in the larger picture love was overwhelmingly dominant,
and it would ultimately be triumphant."
The problem with THIS picture is that "evil" is a bio-mechanical brain malfunction, that COULD BE FIXED by this "other side," and then we'd only have to deal with bad and stupid stuff, instead of killings, rape, and everything else. Putin is the perfect example. He has no empathy, doesn't care who dies as long as he gets what HE wants.
This is NECESSARY? Really?
All of the component parts to these pictures deal with consciousness as the root of the being involved. When you die, whatever it is leaves the physical body, and where you wind up is another story completely.
How you define this - as of now - is up to you. Just keep it simple until we get answers ... if they EVER come.