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Originally Posted by ketzer
Of course the flip side is that whatever is said about it, it is. One can say that there really is no not real or false, everything is as it is and is real in the present moment. That though one may look closer and see the body as an illusion created by the properties of energy, so what, it is still the body and is a real illusion created by the properties of energy. So go ahead and experience it as a reality, because it is as real as anything else. If one cannot find the 'true' underlying nature of 'reality' then perhaps there is no one true base level of reality. Perhaps 'reality' is never ending shifting show of 'illusions', and if we look deeper into the illusions, we find deeper illusions, and so on. Then the illusions are reality, and perhaps we can stop desperately trying to strip away the illusions to get to reality, and just experience them. Because illusions though they may be, their beauty and all their other many qualia are real.
Anyway, you may get a kick out of this one, gotta stick with it to the ending, but honestly even for a cartoon the guy grates on ya.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KXidr0z1RY |
In my eyes peeps that say it is as it is allows for there to be endless possibilities present and that's fine but we have to observe how these peeps actually behave .
It's like the spiritual teachers that say they are not self identified and then identify with their partner and get married lol .
So although there is the allowance present in regards to things being as they are, there cannot also be a stance either way of being self identified or not or that the world is real or not .
I agree that the body might seem illusory on one level but so what, you bang your head on a trees branch and it hurts, and we live from this aspect of experience don't we .
It's also fine to say however that the body comprises of light energy and only exists on a certain vibration but we are then changing the context and whether or not the body is made up of light matters not when we speak about the foundations of life for there has to be a real or illusory foundation present to allow a real or illusory experience .
The fundamental foundation is so important .. this is why to say no one is actually here as a foundation has a knock on effect to what is the reality (as it is) .
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