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Old 19-02-2020, 04:44 PM
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Any Science or Religion without Truth is both lame AND blind.

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Originally Posted by MikeS80
Yes, but we can't describe oneness without using words and concepts, such as Non-duality, god etc etc. As long as we are conscious of Non-duality or any other concept as being only a concept of oneness, not oneness itself, words and concepts will not have a negative effect on our monkey brains (ego I). Take the analogy below as an example:

Looking out into reality while wearing red glasses, you will say - reality is red

Another person wearing blue glasses will say - No, reality is blue.

Another person wearing yellow glasses will say - No, no, you are both wrong, I see reality as being yellow.

When you are not wearing colored glasses (knowing the truth about words, concepts and beliefs, and apply said truth), your reality is not colored by words, concepts and beliefs.

What creates these colored glasses? Words, and concepts create beliefs. These beliefs created by words and concepts create the colored glasses

Edit: changed oneness to Non-duality above.

MikeS80,

....why describe that which cannot be described, colored, created, conceptualized, or perceived at all?

Even I AM THAT is insufficiently paltry.

And why attempt to use language to "pass along, transmit, or understand" to "an other", THAT which is the OTHER, Itself?

Does removing the colored glasses called "ineffable" render this state "effable", or make the "differentiated", "un"-differentiated.

Seems a colossal waste of time, and yet....here we are with blinders (glasses) still on.

We don't even own the breath it takes to say, or the energy it takes to think...

...I AM THAT I AM.

The "edit" of language, applied to perception, is the "tie that binds" and "blinds"...whether spoken or thought.

Then again, perhaps that's the whole point: for the Unspeakable to even be able to speak to Itself AS us. In the reference below, Genevieve Behrend describes the cause acting as the effect, thusly:

"Endeavor to bear in mind that your mental picture is Universal Mind specifically exercising its inherent powers of initiative and selection. God, or Universal Mind, made man for the special purpose of differentiating Himself through him. Everything there is, came into existence in this same way, by this self-same law of self-differentiation, and for the same purpose. First came the idea, the mental picture, or the prototype of the thing, which is the thing itself in its incipiency. The Great Architect of the Universe contemplated Himself as manifesting through his polar opposite—matter—and the idea expanded and projected itself until we have not only a world, but many worlds."

And ...."your mind is the mirror in which the Infinite power and Intelligence in the universe sees itself reproduced"

This same power that brought universal substance into existence will bring your individual thought or mental picture into physical form. There is no difference in the power. The only difference is a difference of degree. The power and the substance themselves are the same. Only in working out your mental picture, it has transferred its creative energy from the Universal to the particular, and is working in the same unfailing manner from its specific center, your mind.

I would daresay, not only is Infinite power and Intelligence in the universe reproduced from its specific center, (your mind), but is also the place where It is "described", as well.

Don't you think?

Reference: http://www.lightisreal.com/YourInvisiblePower.pdf From Genevieve Behrend's book, Your Invisible Power
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