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Originally Posted by Altair
Just what in the world are you trying to communicate Debrah?
We're homo sapiens, not any of the other species. Our ancestors evolved as meat eaters.
I don't need to do any challenge without tools, and neither does a vegan. The meaning behind the 'challenge' was to make you think about the wilderness and how humans survive. We make tools, weapons, fire. We hunt and we cook. We do not have to do it like lions, which is the fallacy that vegans always bring forth. We evolved to catch and kill prey. If you argue against it because we need tools and weapons than you can't farm either and that means no more vegan diet for you. Without civilization you can try and live like (or with) the gorillas but you'll make a poor gorilla.
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We learned to eat meat and hunt.
It should be noted that neither of the links offered are 'vegan sites'. One is PubMed and the other is the Smithsonian Institute.
So with human(oids) appearing on the savannah's of Africa around 4 million years ago, fossil records indicate that earliest evidence of meat eating began around 2.5 million years ago and with bonobo's and gorilla's being our closest living relatives and them being frugivorous in eating habits, it's pretty clear that we initially evolved as plant eaters and subsequently added meat eating to our diets. And followed that up with learning to cook that meat between 1.5 million years and 800,000 years ago.
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'The earliest evidence for meat-eating in hominins dates to ~2.5 Mya (million years ago) (35). Some of the fossil findings are consistent with scavenging activities, but on the whole, there is still considerable uncertainty about the relative importance and timing of scavenging versus hunting in hominin evolution (17, 36, 136, 146). .................... The adoption of large-scale meat-eating may have necessitated advanced processing techniques, such as cooking (see below), in part because raw meat is difficult and slow to chew, thus limiting consumption in large quantities (173).
Cooking
The oldest incontrovertible evidence for human-controlled fire dates to 800,000 years ago in Israel (59). There are other, less certain, sites dating to as early as ~1.5 million years ago (18, 165). Wrangham and colleagues (175) suggest that cooking food may have been part of hominin culture as early as ~1.9 million years ago,'
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4163920/
'One of the earliest defining human traits, bipedalism -- the ability to walk on two legs -- evolved over 4 million years ago. ..............
Humans are primates. Physical and genetic similarities show that the modern human species, Homo sapiens, has a very close relationship to another group of primate species, the apes. Humans and the great apes (large apes) of Africa -- chimpanzees (including bonobos, or so-called “pygmy chimpanzees”) and gorillas -- share a common ancestor that lived between 8 and 6 million years ago.
Humans first evolved in Africa, and much of human evolution occurred on that continent. The fossils of early humans who lived between 6 and 2 million years ago come entirely from Africa........
https://humanorigins.si.edu/educatio...uman-evolution