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Originally Posted by Moonglow
Namaste Greenslade,
Suppose a way to look at is if it is created in ones mind, then can be subjective. For another seems to have another view point or may find similarities, but one has his/her own twist on it.
Who created what is viewed as "Spirituality" anyways? Humans did, didn't they?
Finding connection with that which is felt in its presence. The vibration/energy felt. The wondering and for some realization there is more then what is thought. Goes beyond just thinking about it, but living it, with it, of it. How to describe that which is beyond the words.
Much like you. I have a certain image of you that forms in my mind through the interactions here. Bu, I can wager that meeting you in the flesh would expand the outlook much greater. Yes sense a personality and energy with in the words, but sure there is much more to the man behind the words.
So, I see the spiritual side of us. It doesn't choose this one is better then that or ask what one believes. The true ( for lack of better word at present) Spirit embraces all, as I feel it. Maybe a concept to some, but do they feel what I do or you do?
What you have experienced, or anyone else for that matter is objective to the individuals. It was and is lived. To another subjective if not or not understood.
Can one observe the "ego"? Or what may relate to what it represents to that person? I don't feel it is a question in regards to the individual existing, but more into how one may or may not relate to life and/or Spirit, or anything else, and the individual him/her self.
It all seems to seep into the general consciousness. If so, then it exists and it is in some form or another. One can relate or not, but this does not make what is placed there null and void. Time included.
High/low are on the same scale and depends where one is at and may feel that seems to determine what one emits. If Spirit was so high that it required years and years of practice to attune to it, think many would not even have a concept of its presence, much less be aware enough to even notice something.
But that is just my outlook at present. If desired to be in touch with the divine, stop looking for it and take notice. As one sees it, feels it in what ever manner there it is reflecting back. If that's ego talking, I take it
It is as one creates to be for oneself. Yes Spirituality is just another identity if seen that way. But it is not all that has developed, I like the word Life. For that is what everyone is experiencing and developing with in.
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Namaste Moonglow
I guess everyone does, that, they create an image of what a person is like in their mind's eye. I suppose it's easier to have a conversation with something a little more tangible than words on a screen, giving the mind something to latch onto. Being honest I've tried not to do that because there's always a jarring when the image and the person don't match. Often I talk to the Soul rather than to the person anyway, and a vision of Spirit/Soul is often only a construct of the mind. As you are 'closer to your Soul' than most the difference isn't quite so contrasting.
I learned many years ago that there is always something more, that every person has their own story to tell. Interestingly I met a guy who was pushing shopping carts in a supermarket, he'd been a well-respected brain surgeon but felt as though he'd been burned out and wanted a job that wasn't too taxing.
This is what I like about Gestalt Reality, it helps me to envisage things and put things into relationships instead of opposition and that makes sense of so much more. The main principle of Gestalt Reality is that the sum parts create something other than (not greater than) the whole. The 'Spiritual side', ego, body, mind....- are all 'individual' parts and when all those parts/aspects are taken in unison, together they create another individual 'entity'. Our ego is an 'entity' in its own right and is made up of various aspects - past experiences, knowledge, environment, perceptions, beliefs.... So you as a 'human entity' are all of your aspects put together like the clockwork of a watch. On top of that we have the Spiritual entity that comprises of the human - the Soul, Spirit, Past Life entities and whatever else.
I tried to figure out what my consciousness was one day, just for the sheer hell of it. What I didn't want was just some airy-fairy Spiritual definition, I wanted to experience it more fully and actually 'touch' it. The more I reached for it the further away it went, always a step in front. Every step brought the same question - "Is that what I am conscious of?"
Alan Watts says that we 'thingify' things and that's what's happening with ego. We make this big thing about how bad it is, how clever we are at transmuting it and killing it but we never look to the definitions and the reasons we use them and we never look at the dialogue we are having with ourselves. All so we can think we're Spiritual, and the irony is that thinking we're Spiritual is the very definition of 'ego'. 'Ego death' is an egoic illusion. Yeah I know, I shouldn't laugh but y'know, sometimes it helps and I just can't help acknowledge the irony of it all.
I guess that's why we need reflections, when we're looking 'out there' for the divine what we're really looking for is something to reflect back at ourselves because we can't see our own faces.
If we are Spiritual, human, have an ego, a mind.... any number of different aspects doesn't that mean we're quite a piece of kit?