Originally Posted by BlueElephant

Yes, very good points Z - and since the eastern and other Mystical sytems that are experientially based and whether open-ended or not - the Liberated Realization brings one to open-ended progression. This is something alot might not know or understand - is that after Actual (and profound) Realization - then one continues onward in evolution - the evolution is ungraspable by the limited mind and yet integrated into this life and its associations sponteniously. Self Realization alone clears 97% of our individual suffering right away. and if it is True Genuine Realization - then that personal suffering does not come back - it is gone forever. Also, the Path goes on and on in development including after death of the physical body.

I do agree that there are very few who reach this level compared to exsisting humanity and many of them keep to themselves. And it is so easy to get embedded for 1 & 1/2 eons, etc into one or more Traditions like you say.

Thus ever onward, inward and ?? hehe