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Shivani Devi 11-03-2020 02:19 AM

Ascending into the Eighth Ray
 
Brothers and sisters... Children of the Stars.

We find ourselves at a turning point in Global affairs. Many are reacting to a perceived threat to their 3D existence with the fallout from anxiety over their individual or collective mortality totally destabilizing their very existence more than any virus could EVER do.

They do not realise the ramifications of their rampant materialism...then again, the species called "Homo Sapiens Sapiens" never did.

The ones we know as "Homo Sentiens", the Ascended Ones have acquired more wisdom and resilience through the whole Ascension process not to allow themselves to get caught up in the base desires for physical survival totally irrespective of their incorporeal transcendence into 5D as a "Light/Rainbow" Soul.

Whether we have compassion, pity or distaste for the "unawakened beings" we happen to share the planet with, it makes absolutely no difference now (as if it ever did). All we need to do is shine our Light...the moths will either be attracted to it, or not...whatever the case, that belongs to their journey...a journey they ultimately need to make alone. The Awakened are not the "changers"...they are only the facilitators of it.

The host is born of the First Ray and Seventh Ray energies...of the Red Flame and the Violet Flame. The transmutation of Red to Violet can only be achieved through the Blue Ray...that of peace, understanding and unconditional love and although it may be quite a huge ask for some of us to "unconditionally love" those who would willingly seek to hurt and destroy others, nothing whatsoever should detract from that Love which is reciprocated between the Seeker's heart and the Source...the All in the All (whatever concept you use to personally understand it).

These are difficult, trying times and it is easy for the affairs of those in the Third Dimension to still exert influence over those of us in the Fifth, but understand that we have been brought here for a reason which will be made clear to us as circumstances (and the Universe) unfolds to present itself and support them.

Meanwhile, I urge clarity, focus, patience and internal fortitude as you await your script for the part you need to play in this unfolding drama.

Greetings and blessings to all from Ashtar Command.

ant 11-03-2020 03:14 AM

Gotta love new age~NOT.

I'll stick to my inner radar.

Shivani Devi 11-03-2020 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Elabr8Aspie
Gotta love new age~NOT.

I'll stick to my inner radar.

I don't like "New Age" either, but it's not like I have any say in what comes through when I clear my thoughts and put pen to paper.

Ashtar Command has spoken to and through me before...not for many years though because I was always terrified of what those who hated the New Age and preferred to use their "Inner Guidance" would say...it would be like "Salem redux"...burn the witch!!!

Then I was assured I had nothing to fear from those who were unawakened because criticising that which they do not understand is part of their whole "job description".

ant 11-03-2020 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Shivani Devi
I don't like "New Age" either, but it's not like I have any say in what comes through when I clear my thoughts and put pen to paper.

Ashtar Command has spoken to and through me before...not for many years though because I was always terrified of what those who hated the New Age and preferred to use their "Inner Guidance" would say...it would be like "Salem redux"...burn the witch!!!

Then I was assured I had nothing to fear from those who were unawakened because criticising that which they do not understand is part of their whole "job description".


Rubbish,Ashtar command is new age garbage.

Come back to earth and process the lessons you've come here to learn.

Shivani Devi 11-03-2020 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Elabr8Aspie
Rubbish,Ashtar command is new age garbage.

Come back to earth and process the lessons you've come here to learn.

Lol....you are a very funny person..please amuse me more.

By the way....what if I don't WANT to "come back down to earth?" What are YOU going to do about that? Place me on "ignore" quicker than I can do likewise? Please!

Then again, this channeled message is for ME and obviously NOT for you...I share it here for anybody it may help.. not for those it may hinder.

At least one thing, I am being taught how to deal with all of those negative, grumpy "naysayers" a lot better now...so something good has come it because now I can say "nothing for you to see here..move along" instead of "f*** off"...so yes, I AM learning my "life lessons" thank you very much.

ant 11-03-2020 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Shivani Devi
Lol....you are a very funny person..please amuse me more.


Give me some more new age fantasy material and i'll see what i can come up with.

No promises.

Shivani Devi 11-03-2020 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Elabr8Aspie
Give me some more new age fantasy material and i'll see what i can come up with.

No promises.

I edited my previous comment as you were typing that up, so please take time to revisit the post from where that quote was taken...or not.

Anyway, thank you for your response and for advertising this thread more than you probably felt that it deserved....NEXT!

ant 11-03-2020 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Shivani Devi
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By the way....what if I don't WANT to "come back down to earth?" What are YOU going to do about that? Place me on "ignore" quicker than I can do likewise? Please!

Then again, this channeled message is for ME and obviously NOT for you...I share it here for anybody it may help.. not for those it may hinder.

At least one thing, I am being taught how to deal with all of those negative, grumpy "naysayers" a lot better now...so something good has come it because now I can say "nothing for you to see here" instead of "sod off"...so yes, I AM learning my "life lessons" thank you very much.


I'm not going to do anything,one has a choice to live here on earth and learn or to avoid life and live a life of escapism and learn nothing.

Horses for courses,each to what they have to learn or not.

Shivani Devi 11-03-2020 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Elabr8Aspie
I'm not going to do anything,one has a choice to live here on earth and learn or to avoid life and live a life of escapism and learn nothing.

Horses for courses,each to what they have to learn or not.

Is that what you believe?...that raising your vibration to exist in the "higher realms" is escapism? avoidance? and you learn nothing?

All I can say is.. that it is EASY to say for one who has not done so, or else they would know better than to place their whole stock in a fleeting, transitory existence at the expense of everything else.

However, I am not about to continue the debate which mankind has been having since its inception, so I wish you all the best with your future journeys and may your "horse" carry you well...so long.

Shivani Devi 11-03-2020 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Elabr8Aspie
Give me some more new age fantasy material and i'll see what i can come up with.

No promises.

This just came through... JUST for you..

"What would you rather me be? A fictitious galactic commander? A fictious historical figure? a fictitious Hindu deity? or a fictitious member of an internet forum? I am quite adaptable to circumstance, so please, let ME know and I shall endeavour to comply with your personal preferences".

ant 11-03-2020 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Shivani Devi
This just came through... JUST for you..

"What would you rather me be? A fictitious galactic commander? A fictious historical figure? a fictitious Hindu deity? or a fictitious member of an internet forum? I am quite adaptable to circumstance, so please, let ME know and I shall endeavour to comply with your personal preferences".


Trick question?

Your one or all of these already.

Shivani Devi 11-03-2020 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Elabr8Aspie
Trick question?

Your one or all of these already.

"It is only a 'trick' when you don't understand how it is done. So, this is a "Channeling Forum". Maybe you would like to give your anti- New Age views in other threads too? So many to choose from. Perhaps Metatron, Seth, Babaji or Archangel Michael would be more interested in hearing what you have to say? You could even ask them for validation of my message.

Perhaps you would receive a better reception if you presented your case in the Starseed/Indigo forum? What about the Nature Spirits and Elementals forum? Perhaps you could start a petition to get Administration to close down half this site as it encourages "escapism" and beliefs in a "fantasy world" and not the biased view of a reality according to the cognitive whimsy of your own human ego. I would like to see just how far you can get with that.

I would like to know one thing, is it that you don't believe in channeling? or is it that you don't believe Dianne is capable of doing so?"

NoOne 11-03-2020 07:42 AM

Ascended masters are an interesting bunch, I've never been able to figure out if they're really what they claim to be or whether they're just messing with us for their own amusement. I get vibes of "Q" from Star Trek, those omnipotent tricksters, whenever I hear from them.

My issue with commander Ashtar is this: Where are your ships?

If you really are a galactic commander, then have at it, we would enjoy a bit of a light show in our sky and please make them look like the enterprise, that would really mess with everyone's brain and provide endless amusement.

Anyways, I realise the rank hypocrisy of my statement, because I also channel, but then perhaps you will see my dilemma. Words coming through is all fine, but they're just words. Show us the goods and we will start taking you seriously… This, btw is a message to all beings who are in contact with channellers. As long as you only give us words, don't expect us to take you seriously. Even a computer can generate words, no need to have a sentient being, a galactic commander, no less, do it for us.

Shivani Devi 11-03-2020 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by NoOne
Ascended masters are an interesting bunch, I've never been able to figure out if they're really what they claim to be or whether they're just messing with us for their own amusement. I get vibes of "Q" from Star Trek, those omnipotent tricksters, whenever I hear from them.

My issue with commander Ashtar is this: Where are your ships?

If you really are a galactic commander, then have at it, we would enjoy a bit of a light show in our sky and please make them look like the enterprise, that would really mess with everyone's brain and provide endless amusement.

Anyways, I realise the rank hypocrisy of my statement, because I also channel, but then perhaps you will see my dilemma. Words coming through is all fine, but they're just words. Show us the goods and we will start taking you seriously… This, btw is a message to all beings who are in contact with channellers. As long as you only give us words, don't expect us to take you seriously. Even a computer can generate words, no need to have a sentient being, a galactic commander, no less, do it for us.

You are familiar with the Annunaki?

Anyway, some of the more advanced civilizations don't have the need to use space ships or give "light shows" to humans to prove their existence...they can travel within this dimension and others through using the pure energy of "thought" which could more correctly be called "intent".

They watch other races who have visited the Earth in "UFOs"...many glorious light shows are displayed all over the globe on a nightly basis...millions have witnessed it.... STILL nobody takes any of it seriously enough to even believe another when they say "I saw a UFO"...even Buzz Aldrin was criticized for disclosure...there are so many black pen erasures in "Project Bluebook" and send the case files for the FBI that they are totally unreadable!

The Pleaideans watch..and go "why bother?" They are waiting for a time when humans are more "civilized" to make their presence known, but that doesn't stop them from giving downloads to starseeds from time to time...the thing is, they leave it up to the host's discretion whether to make the content public or not because if there is this much global panic over a virus, can you imagine the catastrophe when the Annunaki return and say to humanity "hi honeys..we're back" some humans are required to break the ice before that happens...and this is why it hasn't happened yet... and when I say "yet", I mean, in the last 12,000 years, before a flood came along and wiped everything away..

...and meanwhile, He is going "geez, tough crowd...why did you sign up for that gig? and then says something about the need to meditate more to spread the message non verbally also.

ant 11-03-2020 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Shivani Devi
"It is only a 'trick' when you don't understand how it is done. So, this is a "Channeling Forum". Maybe you would like to give your anti- New Age views in other threads too? So many to choose from. Perhaps Metatron, Seth, Babaji or Archangel Michael would be more interested in hearing what you have to say? You could even ask them for validation of my message.

Perhaps you would receive a better reception if you presented your case in the Starseed/Indigo forum? What about the Nature Spirits and Elementals forum? Perhaps you could start a petition to get Administration to close down half this site as it encourages "escapism" and beliefs in a "fantasy world" and not the biased view of a reality according to the cognitive whimsy of your own human ego. I would like to see just how far you can get with that.

I would like to know one thing, is it that you don't believe in channeling? or is it that you don't believe Dianne is capable of doing so?"


So many to choose from and so many misleads and deceptions.

That said,all roads lead to multiple choice,then better discernment.

ALL process.

Regards in belief in channeling,no,visual basic is of the mind,visual states are not felt perception.

Faith is the road,meaning blind faith and putting faith in trust in the unknown and unseen,it doesn't need to be questioned.

Humans seek answers,there lies the problem.

Humans,ego centaurians,seek status,concepts,beliefs and labels.

Shivani Devi 11-03-2020 08:35 AM

By the way, NoOne..

Ashtar(oth) was based on a Babylonian goddess familiar to both of us...History could not decide whether to make the character male or female as it had the qualities of both.

In one avatar, Ashtar became Hermes Trismegistus - from whence we get the term (Hermaphrodite).

In another incarnation, Hermes became the Egyptian God, Thoth...some will say P'tah, but the order of hermetic wisdom was passed down through Thoth via Asclepius, whose staff bears the symbolism of a risen Kundalini serpent.

Ashtar also had a few incarnations in India...Lord Shiva in the form of Ardhanarishwara being one of them, the symbolic morphology of the "Star of David" which became the sigil for the "son of Shiva" called Murugan and the association of Murugan with the Pleaides (krittika Nakshatra) is well known:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%E1%B9%9Bttik%C4%81

https://narayanaoracle.com/?p=328

https://www.astroved.com/blogs/the-k...r-the-pleiades

It is very difficult to explain this whole thing to others who are totally incapable of understanding it...

This is the whole source of energy and wisdom that I have managed to tap into from a young age..but I have always passed it through the filter of my own perception, my own interactions with this world and I was resented and harshly criticised FOR it...

So I decided to just let Ashtar/Hermes/Thoth/Shiva speak for himself and that made him difference either because you guys believe that it is still "me"
Whatever...I just wonder how other channelers deal with this?

Perhaps I need to learn how to "channel" better by getting my ego involved in it once more..

..by the way, spot on about the whole "artistic license" taken by Zecheriah Sitchin in his (mis)translation of the Emerald Tablets and the Enûma Eliš just confirms it.

Have you lost your connection with the Devata NoOne? Because I have not and all you need to do is to ask them about all of this yourself and about my "authenticity" and you will get those answers you seek.

Shivani Devi 11-03-2020 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Elabr8Aspie
So many to choose from and so many misleads and deceptions.

That said,all roads lead to multiple choice,then better discernment.

ALL process.

Regards in belief in channeling,no,visual basic is of the mind,visual states are not felt perception.

Faith is the road,meaning blind faith and putting faith in trust in the unknown and unseen,it doesn't need to be questioned.

Humans seek answers,there lies the problem.

Humans,ego centaurians,seek status,concepts,beliefs and labels.

Read the post I made above and then get back to me on that because this goes way beyond your ability to understand the "answers" anyway, even though you are only pretending NOT to ask the questions, so that your existence may be kept "in line" with the majority who also occupy this planet because it is the "safest" place to be... doesn't mean it is the ONLY place to be.

ant 11-03-2020 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi
By the way, No one..

Ashtar(oth) was based on a Babylonian goddess familiar to both of us...History could not decide whether to make the character male or female as it had the qualities of both.

In one avatar, Ashtar became Hermes Trismegistus - from whence we get the term (Hermaphrodite).

In another incarnation, Hermes became the Egyptian God, Thoth...some will say P'tah, but the order of hermetic wisdom was passed down through Thoth via Asclepius, whose staff bears the symbolism of a risen Kundalini serpent.

Ashtar also had a few incarnations in India...Lord Shiva in the form of Ardhanarishwara being one of them, the symbolic morphology of the "Star of David" which became the sigil for the "son of Shiva" called Murugan and the association of Murugan with the Pleaides (krittika Nakshatra) is well known:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%E1%B9%9Bttik%C4%81

https://narayanaoracle.com/?p=328

https://www.astroved.com/blogs/the-k...r-the-pleiades

It is very difficult to explain this whole thing to others who are totally incapable of understanding it...

This is the whole source of energy and wisdom that I have managed to tap into from a young age..but I have always passed it through the filter of my own perception, my own interactions with this world and I was resented and harshly criticised FOR it...

So I decided to just let Ashtar/Hermes/Thoth/Shiva speak for himself and that made him difference either because you guys believe that it is still "me"
Whatever...I just wonder how other channelers deal with this?

Perhaps I need to learn how to "channel" better by getting my ego involved in it once more..

..by the way, spot on about the whole "artistic license" taken by Zecheriah Sitchin in his (mis)translation of the Emerald Tablets.

Have you lost your connection with the Devata No one? Because I have not and all you need to do is ask them about all this yourself and about my "authenticity" and you will get those answers you seek.


So what.

One,doesn't assimilate and live in the past,it's just part of the 'kit bag'.

Hence they are part,not all.

Footnote:If you feel the need to write some long winded diatribe,there lies your answer into feeling or wanting to be validated and or the feeling i'm special.

ant 11-03-2020 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Shivani Devi
Read the post I made above and then get back to me on that because this goes way beyond your ability to understand the "answers" anyway, even though you are only pretending NOT to ask the questions, so that your existence may be kept "in line" with the majority who also occupy this planet because it is the "safest" place to be... doesn't mean it is the ONLY place to be.


Note:Humility is key.

NoOne 11-03-2020 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi
You are familiar with the Annunaki?

Anyway, some of the more advanced civilizations don't have the need to use space ships or give "light shows" to humans to prove their existence...they can travel within this dimension and others through using the pure energy of "thought" which could more correctly be called "intent".

They watch other races who have visited the Earth in "UFOs"...many glorious light shows are displayed all over the globe on a nightly basis...millions have witnessed it.... STILL nobody takes any of it seriously enough to even believe another when they say "I saw a UFO"...even Buzz Aldrin was criticized for disclosure...there are so many black pen erasures in "Project Bluebook" and send the case files for the FBI that they are totally unreadable!

The Pleaideans watch..and go "why bother?" They are waiting for a time when humans are more "civilized" to make their presence known, but that doesn't stop them from giving downloads to starseeds from time to time...the thing is, they leave it up to the host's discretion whether to make the content public or not because if there is this much global panic over a virus, can you imagine the catastrophe when the Annunaki return and say to humanity "hi honeys..we're back" some humans are required to break the ice before that happens...and this is why it hasn't happened yet... and when I say "yet", I mean, in the last 12,000 years, before a flood came along and wiped everything away..

...and meanwhile, He is going "geez, tough crowd...why did you sign up for that gig? and then says something about the need to meditate more to spread the message non verbally also.


Hmm, yes, something is going on, I just can't figure out what.

None of it makes any sense to me. Clearly, these guys have craft and sometimes we catch glimpses of them, there's even video and radar data.

Yet, they never seem to land on the White House lawn for a bit of a chat.

And, Ashtar command is supposed to be heading some sort of galactic fleet, if I recall correctly. The Anunnaki supposedly have ships (and yet, where are they?).

I have a very sceptical mind, so I have a hard time accepting any of this. Not that these beings aren't real, they clearly are, but in the absence of any concrete physical evidence I am suspicious that they are just disembodied spirits that are messing with us for their own amusement. A lot of the claims coming from channelled beings, ascended masters and whatnot seem to be highly contradictory and there is always some excuse as to why they cannot show themselves. Like I said, makes no sense to me.

NoOne 11-03-2020 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi
By the way, NoOne..

Ashtar(oth) was based on a Babylonian goddess familiar to both of us...History could not decide whether to make the character male or female as it had the qualities of both.

In one avatar, Ashtar became Hermes Trismegistus - from whence we get the term (Hermaphrodite).

In another incarnation, Hermes became the Egyptian God, Thoth...some will say P'tah, but the order of hermetic wisdom was passed down through Thoth via Asclepius, whose staff bears the symbolism of a risen Kundalini serpent.

Ashtar also had a few incarnations in India...Lord Shiva in the form of Ardhanarishwara being one of them, the symbolic morphology of the "Star of David" which became the sigil for the "son of Shiva" called Murugan and the association of Murugan with the Pleaides (krittika Nakshatra) is well known:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%E1%B9%9Bttik%C4%81

https://narayanaoracle.com/?p=328

https://www.astroved.com/blogs/the-k...r-the-pleiades



Yes, I thought that Ashtar may be based on Ishtar, yet it makes zero sense. One is a Babylonian goddess, the other some sort of new-age Sci-fi dude. I fail to see any connecting tissue between the two, though they are often confused with each other.

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It is very difficult to explain this whole thing to others who are totally incapable of understanding it...

That much is certain.

Quote:

This is the whole source of energy and wisdom that I have managed to tap into from a young age..but I have always passed it through the filter of my own perception, my own interactions with this world and I was resented and harshly criticised FOR it...

So I decided to just let Ashtar/Hermes/Thoth/Shiva speak for himself and that made him difference either because you guys believe that it is still "me"
Whatever...I just wonder how other channelers deal with this?

Perhaps I need to learn how to "channel" better by getting my ego involved in it once more..

Well, technically, it's always "You", there is just one Self, which is what makes channelling possible. The only question is how much you can remove your own illusory self from the picture. The more you're able to do that, the more of the other person you're channelling can come through. But, there do seem to be natural limitations on how much can come through. I am a conscious channel, but unconscious channels are the most accurate and authentic (such as the Law of One people).

Quote:

..by the way, spot on about the whole "artistic license" taken by Zecheriah Sitchin in his (mis)translation of the Emerald Tablets and the Enûma Eliš just confirms it.

Have you lost your connection with the Devata NoOne? Because I have not and all you need to do is to ask them about all of this yourself and about my "authenticity" and you will get those answers you seek.


No, my connection is never lost, but I choose to keep a particular distance between myself and Heavenly beings. I am highly suspicious and sceptical by nature, as well as a very private person, so I choose not to intermingle too much. Sometimes, it's unavoidable though.

ant 11-03-2020 09:12 AM

^Birds of a feather,flock together.

Strength in numbers?

Movie recollection:One flew over the cuckoo's nest.

Why?

Shivani Devi 11-03-2020 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Elabr8Aspie
So what.

One,doesn't assimilate and live in the past,it's just part of the 'kit bag'.

Hence they are part,not all.

Footnote:If you feel the need to write some long winded diatribe,there lies your answer into feeling or wanting to be validated and or the feeling i'm special.

Well, if you honestly BELIEVE that, I ain't stopping you...I couldn't even if I tried...so there goes any need for "validation" before the issue of "validation" even arises within my mind.

There is no "past" and no "future" there is only NOW, so how can one be "living in the past" if they are living in the now?

When we speak of Dimensions, there is NO way that a person living in 3D could ever relate to a 5D being anyway...which is the message I am now getting. Do you think for one moment that time is linear enough to cause people to "live in a past" which doesn't exist?

So, you don't believe in alternate realities or Dimensions? FINE.
You believe those who say they have connections with higher beings are just mentally jacking off? FINE
You want to try and make an example by discrediting me on an internet forum because you disagree with both the method and the message? FINE
You believe life is only for eating, drinking and making merriment and nothing else, FINE.

Are we both on the same page NOW? Good because I don't give a rat's bottom whether you are a "believer" or not...there is one thing about a skeptic, they will NEVER be convinced. UFOs could land on the Whitehouse lawn and it would be a "Hollywood stunt" or "Elon Musk doing something". Pictures could be taken of it and they would be "photoshopped" or "have amazing CGI" and then people wonder why the "real aliens" IF they exist, want to have nothing to do with us...oh brother!

Do you know the great thing about bashing your head against a brick wall? It feels so bloody good when you stop doing it.

However, at the risk of being accused of "irresponsibility", I will resort to just saying "why shoot the messenger? I didn't say it...you got a problem? Take it up with Ashtar directly...oh that's right, you can't because you don't believe he exists.

However, because I know human beings SO well, I am getting in before (inb4) any of them say that it is difficult to respond to anything I don't take personal responsibility for even though it is a manifestation of my own delusional fantasy and I need to go back on my meds to stop the "voices":or to change them because they obviously ain't working.

So, shall we just "agree to disagree" and leave it there? or does your bias against that which you don't believe exists render you incapable of doing such?

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ant 11-03-2020 09:34 AM

Shiva,

I have read a few words beyond your sentence,then your diatribe,why would i buy into words?

Stories of others/perceptions.

Ask what not you feel the conviction to compel?

Ask in between?Yeah.

Shivani Devi 11-03-2020 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by NoOne
Yes, I thought that Ashtar may be based on Ishtar, yet it makes zero sense. One is a Babylonian goddess, the other some sort of new-age Sci-fi dude. I fail to see any connecting tissue between the two, though they are often confused with each other.



That much is certain.



Well, technically, it's always "You", there is just one Self, which is what makes channelling possible. The only question is how much you can remove your own illusory self from the picture. The more you're able to do that, the more of the other person you're channelling can come through. But, there do seem to be natural limitations on how much can come through. I am a conscious channel, but unconscious channels are the most accurate and authentic (such as the Law of One people).



No, my connection is never lost, but I choose to keep a particular distance between myself and Heavenly beings. I am highly suspicious and sceptical by nature, as well as a very private person, so I choose not to intermingle too much. Sometimes, it's unavoidable though.

Well, the "channel" is from a source/entity outside the framework of one individual consciousness which uses it was "conduit" to relay a message to those if has intended to relay that message TO.

In the case of this thread, that would be neither yourself nor Aspie..however, there may be just ONE person out there that the message was intended for and they will know it deep within their heart...they won't even need to post on this thread or give any validation to attest to the "channeling abilities" of my ego-self.

When the leader of an army gives an order, it is only meant for those soldiers directly under him isn't it? It isn't meant for any other soldier or any other army.

Also, that person or persons who this channeled message was intended for may not even read this thread for weeks, months or even years...all of that doesn't matter.

Ashtar/Hermes isn't trying to impress anyone or win any "Spiritual contest" or "prove himself" and neither am I. If you get anything from it, fine..if you don't, fine...I just did what I had to do in just passing it along with a "to whom it may concern" and obviously, judging by the replies, it hasn't "concerned" anyone who has replied here...but that's not to say anybody's opinion could ever invalidate the message for another who did not share that same opinion.

This is all I can really say ABOUT it, because I notice that the content of the channel was never questioned ANYWAY...and that also tells me a lot.

ant 11-03-2020 09:44 AM

Step it up a notch.

Be 'YOU',exist,be,that just that.

Don't attack,ask why when one does.

ant 11-03-2020 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Shivani Devi
Well, the "channel" is from a source/entity outside the framework of one individual consciousness which uses it was "conduit" to relay a message to those if has intended to relay that message TO.

In the case of this thread, that would be neither yourself nor Aspie..however, there may be just ONE person out there that the message was intended for and they will know it deep within their heart...they won't even need to post on this thread or give any validation to attest to the "channeling abilities" of my ego-self.

When the leader of an army gives an order, it is only meant for those soldiers directly under him isn't it? It isn't meant for any other soldier or any other army.

Also, that person or persons who this channeled message was intended for may not even read this thread for weeks, months or even years...all of that doesn't matter.

Ashtar/Hermes isn't trying to impress anyone or win any "Spiritual contest" or "prove himself" and neither am I. If you get anything from it, fine..if you don't, fine...I just did what I had to do in just passing it along with a "to whom it may concern" and obviously, judging by the replies, it hasn't "concerned" anyone who has replied here...but that's not to say anybody's opinion could ever invalidate the message for another who did not share that same opinion.

This is all I can really say ABOUT it, because I notice that the content of the channel was never questioned ANYWAY...and that also tells me a lot.


Hence,remaining in a loop of fantasy.

All we have is now.

NoOne 11-03-2020 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Shivani Devi
Well, the "channel" is from a source/entity outside the framework of one individual consciousness which uses it was "conduit" to relay a message to those if has intended to relay that message TO.

In the case of this thread, that would be neither yourself nor Aspie..however, there may be just ONE person out there that the message was intended for and they will know it deep within their heart...they won't even need to post on this thread or give any validation to attest to the "channeling abilities" of my ego-self.

When the leader of an army gives an order, it is only meant for those soldiers directly under him isn't it? It isn't meant for any other soldier or any other army.

Also, that person or persons who this channeled message was intended for may not even read this thread for weeks, months or even years...all of that doesn't matter.

Ashtar/Hermes isn't trying to impress anyone or win any "Spiritual contest" or "prove himself" and neither am I. If you get anything from it, fine..if you don't, fine...I just did what I had to do in just passing it along with a "to whom it may concern" and obviously, judging by the replies, it hasn't "concerned" anyone who has replied here...but that's not to say anybody's opinion could ever invalidate the message for another who did not share that same opinion.

This is all I can really say ABOUT it, because I notice that the content of the channel was never questioned ANYWAY...and that also tells me a lot.


Yes, true, the most controversial part always seems to be the source of the Channel. If you had posted the same message from Lord Shiva, people would all be blissed out and just happy to get something, anything from him. Choose a more controversial source though and people react quite differently.

Shivani Devi 11-03-2020 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Elabr8Aspie
Shiva,

I have read a few words beyond your sentence,then your diatribe,why would i buy into words?

Stories of others/perceptions.

Ask what not you feel the conviction to compel?

Ask in between?Yeah.

BECAUSE....

When I channel, I am always given the option of occulting the knowledge or disseminating it and sharing it with others due to o this "right to know" clause which was inserted into that contract.

Unfortunately, the only thing I am guilty of is lacking any discernment when it comes to making these personal revelations public.

I mean c'mon, how far will the "I am not really supposed to be telling you out this because you are not ready to understand it yet" fly? I will only be accused of "not knowing anything myself" isn't it? By those who will say "that which you cannot tell me about, I don't want to know ANYWAY because it mustn't be that important if I am deemed "not ready" to hear it

This is why those who channel publicly and generally walk a very fine line.

I am not after any validation nor any expectation, nor reward..I have neither agenda nor motive...as the conduit, I couldn't care less really..really...truly.. honestly!

Those the message was intended for will get it...even if everybody who reads this thread is just another version of myself in an alternate universe agreeing or disagreeing with myself because they are a bored "keyboard warrior" who has found themselves on a New Age forum, but they have problems with the New Age so continually question what the hell they are doing here ANYWAY if they disagree with anything ever written about the subject?

Well you see, that's the dilemma I find myself in. If given the option to share, should I? Or should I just be like NoOne and keep my channeling sessions private and for personal use only because others will only fear what they do not understand?

Also, like I said, I am not looking for validation but what I AM looking for his any goddamn reason to remain on this forum...just ONE beyond "because it is THERE"...so it becomes less about validation and more about motivation.

Do I need a REASON to do what I do? Of course not! Others believe I should have one...others believe that I need to take "ownership" but why, if nobody else gives a damn anyway.

You speak of "learning lessons" what lesson can be learned from speaking bin the wilderness? Speaking with those who don't have the ears to listen? I mean, yes of COURSE I also had the option of not responding to any posts on this thread and next time I may try YouTube where comments can be disabled. I just gave you the courtesy of my continued and ongoing response because you deserve it..but it makes no difference to either of us really..what, did you ever expect that it would?

Shivani Devi 11-03-2020 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Elabr8Aspie
Note:Humility is key.

The problem exists when HUMILITY conflicts with TRUTH.

Shivani Devi 11-03-2020 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by NoOne
Yes, true, the most controversial part always seems to be the source of the Channel. If you had posted the same message from Lord Shiva, people would all be blissed out and just happy to get something, anything from him. Choose a more controversial source though and people react quite differently.

BINGO...you are beautiful. :hug3:

The channel WAS from Lord Shiva and you knew that just as well as I do.

I don't know if I have ever revealed this to you before, but Lord Shiva in "Ascended Master" form is Shiva Hamat Kaur (Kaiman Shiv Sheran)...who became the template for all the images of Ashtar from Galactic central.

https://images.app.goo.gl/kXkbJ5BcPfyPuTzq7
https://www.pinterest.at/pin/480055641508195283/

This image is almost identical to all of the dreams and visions I have had of Lord Shiva minus all the "hype" Hindus have placed on Him for millennia.

THIS is who I am connected to...this is who comes through me.

You are right though, it is the PERCEPTION of the mental construct and not the message itself which influences people.

Geez, if Ashtar got it bad, I wonder what would have happened if I had of said; "I am being possessed by Satan...my will is not my own anymore...he has something to tell you, so listen up". I probably would have got an even better response. LOL

I am still trying to work out if there is any difference between a "skeptic" and a "critic" though...tough call.

It is difficult to admit that one "channels God" when others just say "nah, you are only channeling YOURSELF" so how am I meant to take that?

Either I AM God or I am NOT God..cannot have it both ways, even IF God appears and goes "oh hai there, God..guess who this is? I am God TOO...in fact, I am the SAME God that you are, God..we are both God...so much so, that "both" of us don't even exist as being separate from each other as the God we both are...and I have something to tell you..but wait, I would only be telling my SELF anyway, so why bother telling you something you already know? Why bother speaking at all if everyone IS God and therefore know the secrets of the universe without words ever needing to be exchanged? without sharing experiences whatsoever because everybody already knows because they are all God TOO?... without having a point or purpose to this life except for existing in one's own "Godliness" which is the same as everybody else's "Godliness" because we are all one? etc etc

Yeah, existing in Self Realization and eternal bliss is a real hoot...it is also as totally boring as f***.

Maybe that's why God created humans..to keep Him amused.

NoOne 11-03-2020 11:38 AM

Hmmm, interesting, thanks. Your arguments and your channelled messages make a lot of sense. Definitely something to ponder in quiet contemplation.

I agree that some sort of Ascension event is imminent. 2020 (or 21 or 22) may yet turn out to be what 2012 was supposed to be in people's mind. The end of an old era and the birth of a new one, as well as the end of an old humanity and the birth of a new one.

Unseeking Seeker 11-03-2020 01:14 PM

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Thanks Shivani, for sharing

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Shivani Devi 11-03-2020 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Unseeking Seeker
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Thanks Shivani, for sharing

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You are very welcome and thank you for replying.

Legrand 11-03-2020 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Shivani Devi


This link is in French, love it!

Legrand 11-03-2020 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NoOne
Hmmm, interesting, thanks. Your arguments and your channelled messages make a lot of sense. Definitely something to ponder in quiet contemplation.

I agree that some sort of Ascension event is imminent. 2020 (or 21 or 22) may yet turn out to be what 2012 was supposed to be in people's mind. The end of an old era and the birth of a new one, as well as the end of an old humanity and the birth of a new one.


Hello NoOne,

The transition phase that started around 1900 will take around 500 years to set in, in my opinion.

But that is just an opinion.

We may accelerate this 500 years transition period if we want.

Regards

Shivani Devi 11-03-2020 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Legrand
This link is in French, love it!

Awesome.

Thanks for taking the time to read it and replying.

I believe the transition started on that fateful day back in 2001.

The world lost its naivite that day and became hypervigilant about anything which could potentially pose any threat to human existence, no matter the scale...micro to macro. We started all living in fear from that day.

The current trend is set to last for about 100 years from 2001, which would surpass the lifetimes of most of us here anyway and all some of us can really do is to "live in the past" because it is way better than having to face an uncertain future...and if one doesn't buy into the whole social stigma about "living in the past" then they can do so freely, without having to provide any justification for it.

There is also a saying in French:
Le bonheur des uns fait le malheur des autres.

So, whatever keeps the boat afloat. Even if it is a life raft from the Titanic.

ant 12-03-2020 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Shivani Devi
The problem exists when HUMILITY conflicts with TRUTH.


Humility and truth go hand in hand.

Sorry.

Like everything else,where one perceives things as negative and positive.

Affixing to labels,concepts,self importance too.

Open source,nature doesn't discriminate.

Shivani Devi 12-03-2020 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Elabr8Aspie
Humility and truth go hand in hand.

Sorry.

Like everything else,where one perceives things as negative and positive.

Affixing to labels,concepts,self importance too.

Open source,nature doesn't discriminate.

If you knew that telling the truth was going to hurt another person would you?

Legrand 12-03-2020 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Shivani Devi
Le bonheur des uns fait le malheur des autres.


Yes its from the book Candide by Voltaire. A very small book worth reading.

Candide could be translated by naïve in English, but with a sense of deep humility also.

This book from 1759, relate the story of this Candide guy, always happy that travels around the world and only meets the fatalism of the people around him.

Love your French!


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