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Madhuri 12-10-2022 12:22 PM

Help me learn to trust?
 
How can I learn to have faith while I’m in a situation where I am hurting and I can’t see any way forward?

I would like to be the kind of person who really believes that God will take care of me. I thought I used to be, but I’m going through something painful and confusing right now, I don’t see any worldly way to fix any of it and it really has me shaken. If you can talk me into facing uncertainty with real faith, or any other advice (from any tradition) to get me out of this doubt, I would deeply appreciate it.

As it stands right now, I keep reading New Thought and only managing to half apply it, which is it’s own problem because my inconsistent thinking can be a source of stress in itself. Sometimes I have my thoughts in order, and that might be why my situation is not completely hopeless, but it’s been going on a long time and when I get tired or something happens, I see “problem”, as if it’s all on little me to find a way to fix it and I can’t. I don’t want to worry anymore.

Native spirit 12-10-2022 12:31 PM

We all go through tough times in our lives and yes it can make you question everything.
You feel lost in your own world with no one to guide you. does it seem similar?
Always remember The Angels will help you but you have to Ask them,
They can put signs in your way to guide you.
Always remember you are not going through this Alone.


Namaste

iamthat 12-10-2022 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Madhuri
...I don’t see any worldly way to fix any of it and it really has me shaken....Sometimes I have my thoughts in order, and that might be why my situation is not completely hopeless, but it’s been going on a long time and when I get tired or something happens, I see “problem”, as if it’s all on little me to find a way to fix it and I can’t. I don’t want to worry anymore.

Some good advice from Native spirit.

You do not say exactly what your situation is, but we all go through times of testing and being lost and confused. This is our learning or, as it is called in some teachings, the burning ground. This is a point of crisis, a time of purification, a time of letting go of things which no longer serve us. It is usually followed by a major step forward. But in order to advance we have to let go of whatever is holding us back, and this can be a difficult and painful process.

When all else fails, surrender the entire situation to God or your Higher Self. You have done all you can to try to fix this, and maybe it is time to hand it over to a higher power. Then try to live one day at a time, with faith that there will be light at the end of the tunnel.

Peace

Native spirit 12-10-2022 07:53 PM

Good Advice from iamthat


Namaste

kris 13-10-2022 02:10 PM

"Help me learn to trust?"

Who or what do you want to trust?

Here is what I trust. I think all that happens in the universe happens because of its inevitability. I am saying this because the universe does not do anything on a whim. Rather, its functioning is based on its fundamental laws.

Hence if you desire a certain outcome, you must make that outcome inevitable. I am speaking in generalities. In practice, what one needs to do to make a certain outcome inevitable depends on what you desire and the state of the universe at the time. But one also needs to know the laws on which the universe operates in order to choose the right action or actions to make desired outcome inevitable!

FoxTracks 13-10-2022 07:13 PM

Good advice from everyone so far. I too have been suffering for some time, terribly suffering, from an illness I had. I never, ever lost faith. However, I did shrink away from my spirituality because I was so sick that I nearly forgot about my spirit Allie’s. I recently reconnected with them and found an interesting tidbit from a book I was re-reading that changed my life. The author had gone through a debilitating illness as well. What turned it around for her was when she received the wisdom that every challenge happens as a lesson. The larger the challenge, the more opportunity we have to rise to the occasion and learn what we can from the situation.

My Illness has been a lesson of love and compassion. The deeper my well of pain, the more I remembered to be compassionate to others. I just came to this realization recently. It was love, all along, guiding me through my pain. I will never forget this lesson as long as I live. It was a whopper. It also reminded me not to stop searching within and always water my spirituality. In this way, I grew, and began to overcome my illness by making peace with it and learning to cope. Now I am better than I have been in years.

My advice to you is to turn inward and deeply contemplate what lesson or soul lesson you might be learning here. Once you have this answer, you might find peace and inner strength, like I did. I learned to trust in my spirit family and source, that I was not being picked on but shown the way to greater love, light, and vitality. Perhaps you can learn this too.

Love and light your way,

FoxTracks

Madhuri 14-10-2022 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Native spirit
Always remember you are not going through this Alone.

This is such a lovely thing to say, I really do need to hear it, thank you!

I think you are right. I ask, but it’s the “ask, believing you have received” that gets me. I think I would be a happier person for the rest of my life if I could ask and then, every time, assume that the prayer has been heard and that there must be things going on that will work out everything for the best, even in situations where we can’t see how it will happen.

I have a few quotes written out on post-its on my wall, there’s one by Florence Scovel Shinn which says,
“Infinite Spirit,
reveal to me the way;
let me know if there is anything for me to do.”

Madhuri 14-10-2022 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn
And we know that in all things, God works for the good of those who love Him. Romans 8:28.
This is true.

This is so beautiful, I will need to put it somewhere I can see it often.

I think I have all of Florence’s books. I always think of her as someone I would love to have as a friend. I find her writing style especially easy to read, and her affirmations are so good!
I appreciate your list of recommendations. Even seeing authors I know is good because it’s just exciting to know that someone else read and found value in their work. But I haven’t read ‘Practicing the Presence’, I will have to see if I can find it. I have just started reading ’High Mysticism’ by Emma Curtis Hopkins, although I’m not far enough into it to say much about it yet.

I love your prayer example. There really is something to being able to say thank You while going through tough times.

Madhuri 16-10-2022 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by iamthat
Then try to live one day at a time, with faith that there will be light at the end of the tunnel.

I keep trying to think how to explain it, but details are probably not helpful or appropriate for this conversation. Short version - I recently learned that someone I love very much is being abused in ways I didn’t know could be possible. I’ve seen a side of human cruelty that I couldn’t have imagined existed, my efforts to help seem to make things worse, and certain details about this situation mean there doesn’t seem to be anywhere to turn for help.

I wanted to explain that much, because sometimes this New Though stuff can sound a lot like being in denial. There’s nothing I want more than to come back here and tell this story again with a happy ending.

Pray for me that I learn these lessons the first time? I don’t ever want to go through this again. I can’t go back to the way I used to be, and I don’t want bitterness to change me for the worse.

Walter Lanyon used this metaphor about how, if you have your eyes on the light at the end of the tunnel, you don’t go along feeling like you have to clean the filth off the tunnel walls as they go by.

Madhuri 16-10-2022 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by kris
Who or what do you want to trust?

I think what I really want to be able to trust is the unknown. I want to believe that good will win, and that doing the right thing means something. But what causes me to worry is the way I feel like I have to be able see how the outcome I want is possible, or that it’s on me to do something to make it happen.

I like the thought that I get to decide what’s inevitable. I think I can be trusted with that responsibility :tongue:

iamthat 17-10-2022 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Madhuri
Short version - I recently learned that someone I love very much is being abused in ways I didn’t know could be possible. I’ve seen a side of human cruelty that I couldn’t have imagined existed, my efforts to help seem to make things worse, and certain details about this situation mean there doesn’t seem to be anywhere to turn for help. I wanted to explain that much, because sometimes this New Though stuff can sound a lot like being in denial.

Ah, this gives a different slant on things. You are suffering not because of your own situation but because of another person's situation.

You say there is nowhere to turn to for help. Presumably this other person is an adult. You do not give your location, but if it were a child then in many countries you could involve social services or the police.

If this other person is an adult in an abusive situation then they may be undergoing their own learning experience. When and how will they find the courage to end the abuse? But I realise that there are often complications which make it difficult for someone to leave an abusive situation.

And if you believe in pre-birth Soul contracts then this person might have agreed to be in this situation with his or her abuser to learn from the experience. But that does not mean that the experience cannot be ended.

New Thought affirmations can sound like denial, as you say. Declaring that life is wonderful when life is actually rather terrible is unlikely to succeed because the affirmer will probably mentally contradict any such affirmations.

You could use the power of visualisation, intention and gratitude to see a speedy and happy resolution to this situation. But it is complicated by the fact that this is actually someone else's situation and their learning process.

Another approach is using ho'oponopono, which can be very successful. Plenty of information online - look for Dr Hew Len. A very interesting story of how he cured everyone in a ward for the criminally insane in a Hawaiian State hospital without seeing any of these patients.

The basic principle of ho'oponopono is that we are responsible for every stressful situation which we have attracted into our lives. So you have attracted this situation which is causing you stress, even though the situation involves other people. Therefore you need to seek forgiveness for whatever you might have done which has brought this situation into your life. It all comes down to the power of forgiveness. Then the situation naturally resolves itself.

Which may sound quite far out, but if nothing else you have tried is working then it may be worth finding out more about ho'oponopono.

Peace

Miss Hepburn 17-10-2022 07:21 PM

I agree with iamthat...yet again! :)

iamthat 17-10-2022 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn
I agree with iamthat...yet again! :)

Great minds think alike! :smile:

Peace

Native spirit 17-10-2022 08:01 PM

I to would agree with that


Namaste

FallingLeaves 17-10-2022 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kris
Hence if you desire a certain outcome, you must make that outcome inevitable.


what is the point? IF everything is inevitable then so is the fact that you want to make a certain outcome inevitable. And so is the fact that you choose to talk about inevibility in this way. In other words, everything is meaningless anyway, so I don't know why I'm bothering to talk about this with you. Except I suppose that that too is inevitable.

:smile:

kris 18-10-2022 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Madhuri

I like the thought that I get to decide what’s inevitable. I think I can be trusted with that responsibility:tongue:

I agree that you can be trusted with responsibility. I also said this in my previous post "But one also needs to know the laws on which the universe operates in order to choose the right action or actions to make desired outcome inevitable!"

Madhuri 24-10-2022 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by FoxTracks
My Illness has been a lesson of love and compassion. The deeper my well of pain, the more I remembered to be compassionate to others.

Living with an illness is certainly not playing life on easy mode! Seeing it as a lesson is a very admirable way to take it. You may not have a lot of choice, but it is still admirable. Real trials build character, and the evidence is in who you are. It’s harrowing work with very little social recognition for anyone who has to go through it.

As for my lessons, I repeatedly wonder if the lying/scheming I’ve seen is in some way a reflection of my inability to trust in God. I keep looking for worldly solutions, and it really highlights the gap between what I claim to believe in and what I apparently actually believe in.

I know I am also struggling with spiritual pride and self righteousness, like, “I would never do anything like that!” Okay, maybe not, but it’s irrelevant because, in New Thought, we’re supposed to see people as shifting between pre-established states of being (a “hate the sin, not the sinner” sort of deal). Or Neville Goddard’s teaching, “everyone is you pushed out,” which means it had to be me who unconsciously animated everyone in the situation and if that’s true, I could go within and fix it, if I only understood how to do it. But if he’s right, it means I did, “do anything like that” on some level and I need to knock it off with all this thinking I’m so much better.

I also feel like I’m being tested for the way I used to talk about the importance of forgiveness, how everyone is doing the best they can, and how, if this is true, we shouldn’t wish punishment on anyone. I still believe that when I can really think about it, but then I get angry and it all goes out the window, and I’m like, “yes, I’d like to order one plague of locusts, please?” I don’t mean it, and it’s not helpful, and I’m joking about it now, but at the time I’m serious and that’s an ugly thing to see in myself. I just feel like my old ways of seeing the world are failing me and I don’t know what to replace it with.

Jonathan 28-10-2022 11:19 AM

to Madhuri
 
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Originally Posted by Madhuri
How can I learn to have faith while I’m in a situation where I am hurting and I can’t see any way forward?

I would like to be the kind of person who really believes that God will take care of me. I thought I used to be, but I’m going through something painful and confusing right now, I don’t see any worldly way to fix any of it and it really has me shaken.

God has taken care of all of us. blessings we cannot see or notice when we are blessed.
I bless you from Jesus Christ. That you will find him from within and hear his voice in the spirit. remember very few are chosen. I am one of the chosen to hear and see Jesus in the spirit.

there has not been a single cry Jesus has not aknowledged. he knows everything about us if we seek him from within us. deep in our hearts and we shall find him.

Miss Hepburn 28-10-2022 12:32 PM

Btw, 2-3 sentences when quoting others...use the Post # if that helps.

AtaraxiaLogic 31-10-2022 07:01 AM

I'm just a crazy person, But I think there are outside forces that make me want to lose interest in everything. My BFF ruined video games for me, being highly powerful already and being bored to not play. I waste a lot of time. If it is outside forces, My remedy is to switch rooms. Or think powerfully of what I could be wanting to do. I always tell myself things could be better, things could be worse. So I try to stay positive.

dreamt 31-10-2022 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Madhuri
I also feel like I’m being tested for the way I used to talk about the importance of forgiveness, how everyone is doing the best they can, and how, if this is true, we shouldn’t wish punishment on anyone. I still believe that when I can really think about it, but then I get angry and it all goes out the window, and I’m like, “yes, I’d like to order one plague of locusts, please?” I don’t mean it, and it’s not helpful, and I’m joking about it now, but at the time I’m serious and that’s an ugly thing to see in myself. I just feel like my old ways of seeing the world are failing me and I don’t know what to replace it with.

I can relate to this a bit. I have gone through forgiving everything as far as I could.
Eventually a limit was reached for me when I noticed that the person I forgave and was
continuing to forgive actually saw it as weakness in some way and kept actually prodding me for
response, as if testing to see if I really wanted to get along (for years). Knowing I am a sensitive
person. Not caring.

So I forgive this person now on condition that I don't see or interact with them again.
I did my best, to my limit. The last conversation I had with them and their last bit of nastiness, I
was calm with the feeling inside that this will be the last conversation.
When a person does not want to believe that life can be better (their choice, but wants to
drag others down) then that is my limit. I have to stay away for my own sake.

thecatsmeow 04-12-2022 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Madhuri
Short version - I recently learned that someone I love very much is being abused in ways I didn’t know could be possible. I’ve seen a side of human cruelty that I couldn’t have imagined existed, my efforts to help seem to make things worse, and certain details about this situation mean there doesn’t seem to be anywhere to turn for help.


You could take a leaf out of Neville Goddards book and imagine the person you're concerned about to be happy and fulfilled. Manifestation of your imagination often works where nothing else will. :smile:


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