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Thank you ImthatIm. I will read the articles. It may be time to tell this story to my son. :smile: |
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In a way I deeply miss your Gran and I am so happy that you had a Gran like this that showed you a way to be in Life. I am glad you have shared a part of your Life. "Everyone needs healing" is such a true statement. I have dedicated my Life to self healing through Spirit and helping others heal, that want to come together and heal in a circle or group. When I first sobered up and discovered a life of healing through self examination, I could not believe the different person I had become. Before that I only knew self destruction and creating turmoil. It was a difference of night and day. Then later, much later did I even consider anything like nondual and serving a higher purpose. So I have engrained destructive patterns that are part of my psyche that entered in from my earliest life through my upbringing. It has been an amazing journey to heal through Spirit and Life and seeing the whole universe align to bring about healing. I am amazed daily that I still have Life and opportunity to be simply in AWE of Life. With the most precious gift to heal some more by discovery and letting go of myself. So I guess in a way I am envious in a good way of you and your Gran. So here is a nod to your Gran. |
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We all have one world and one Love so we might as well share and become of one mind and share also in our uniqueness with gratitude.:smile: |
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I tend to stay out of squabbles these days. You want me to acknowledge that all kinds of crazy stuff happens in Indian country in and around Pipe carriers and The Calf Pipe? Absolutely it does. People can buy pipes, steal pipes at gun point and all sorts shortcuts are taken by many. This world is full of all kinds of people. I don't know anything about Suzanne Dupree, or her claims. Watched the vids. of her. Not sure what she is expressing. |
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So, his attempts to make her an important personality were as successful as people trying to ride a camel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMC0IK_wFsI She was no shaman, just an utterly ordinary indig. person coming from a tradition which laughed at ego/self-importance, like you laugh at a camel - she wasn't going to sell it as "indigenous spirituality". First things first: https://media.buzzle.com/media/image...out-camels.jpg * |
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But. IF any of us outsiders to Amerind ways would come to believe in pipe carriers and would for a reason or another become involved, then we would be put in the position of having to face a controversy and having to choose for ourselves who or what presents this spirituality – what doesn’t: https://jpwade.wordpress.com/2012/06...ing-horse-lie/ * |
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ImthatIm, do you think the Thunder Dreamers are not going extinct, but are actually integrated in society and therefore go unnoticed? Except for the antidotal stories? I wonder if he grew up on the reservation if elders could help him understand his gifts better? The world is lacking in a way to help you people “know” themselves and embrace their uniqueness. When He was 10, he had us check out Navajo Language tapes from the library. :smile: He is such an old soul. |
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The first time I ever heard of Arvol, was a Lakota person saying he is a fraud. Since I am not Lakotan, Amerind nor even American I am not entitled to speak for Lakotas, Amerinds nor Americans. The only thing I can say, is, that there seems to be a division in belief of who the right pipe carrier is, and it is up to Lakotas themselves to sort this out. Outsiders really should trust their own spirit guidance or their personal link with spirit. I respect the ways taught by the White Buffalo Calf Woman as I think all those are excellent. As for the rest, people really need to decide for themselves, whom to trust. * In our stories - a birth of a white reindeer is a good omen: https://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/s...66&postcount=2 But our stories really seem to follow the Arctic narrative. It is the animals themselves that take pity on humans. A maiden at certain circumstances either meets a bear or a deer & marries him: https://assets.lily.fi/sites/lily/fi...idenkansa5.jpg People go hungry and the bear or the deer or the moose etc. decides to give the flesh of his own body to feed them. But hunters have to do the proper-right ceremonies to finally release the spirit to its heavenly home - to come back again: https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...iZ9OQ&usqp=CAU The Master of the Forest (or the Sea) decides if there is game to be hunted any particular day and the individual animal decides, whether and when or even if it sacrifices itself to be food for humans. * |
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Thanks for the laughs with the camel vid. I am sure that your Gran had her own medicine that she shared. You know, they say laughter is the best medicine. |
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I am at peace with my story of the Calf Pipe keeper. This is how it was told to me. Everyone is free to have there own telling of the way they think it is. :smile: The 2 keepers talked of in this thread are free to sort it out. It does not disrupt anything in me. LOL :smile: |
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