Yeah, my thoughts as well. Wow – who is she?! She sounds a bit Near Eastern …..? What is she doing in Shamanic circles?

But then when I watched this (where @ 4:54 she sings in French!):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zicNRF25R5I

She must be a blooming Berber!

You see Saami female DNA lines are related to Berbers.

Most of my female cousins are U5, & most of them with the “Saami motif” U5b1 and many of those are shared with Berbers as well (U5b1b1).

Sooooo I guess, the Saami wanted to invite a deep ancestry relative to the party.

Well, Berber or not - she is amazing!

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Edit:
Downloaded new dna-relatives data & had a look and no.
I have twice as many H mtdna variants than U5 variants.
Those 2 are the biggest groups but.
https://cache.eupedia.com/images/con...DNA-U5-map.png

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P.S. Berbers.
Not that we would ever have been Berbers, but the European hunter-gatherer female line split – some moved up North and are now Saami. Some moved down South and are now Berbers.
I guess it is just interesting for both groups to listen to the ‘echoes of the past’ if there is anything still felt in common.

Interestingly, The Berber tattoos do look like the symbols on Saami Drums:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9P4BAppYwQ

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About the Fire was what I wrote earlier …

The Drum is the Collective One Mind - One Heart Prayer.

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Nice tatoos. I noticed the Berber flag design and a handle on a drum in one
of the videos might have been similar.(I will look for the vid.)
Berber flag

sentient
At 9:28 on your linked vid. in post #521 is the drum handle.

I see now it is not the same. Though some similarities.

sentient
In reference to post #522 bottom half below your fire reference.

All these are familiar concepts to me.
And they all sound right on.
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Maybe they are figuring that out at the Isogaisa.

And the Berbers are indigenous too, struggling with the same problems as every other indig. group.

Good music though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vACZA9dGvV4

Good hashish?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxk5EhGCJZw

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Sorry, I get so interested in DNA.

Partly, because of the discrimination Saami got (about our Siberian admixture) as us NOT having European ancestry and therefore Saami as a newcomer to Europe should go back to where they &*$%#@!!! came from.
At times, this discrimination became really vicious …. you’ve got no idea ……
Hence the DNA proof became necessary.

My Skolt-Saami-stock gran is Haplo V. I just became inspired & ordered a full sequence test to determine which V.

Much shortened version:

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sentient quote

No need to be sorry.
DNA and history are both interesting.

Picked some more Nettles yesterday and laid down under some old trees.
Rain is coming back so I am hoping for some Thunders, which is nice this time of year.(Spring):smile:

Ok. sneaking one more thing in.

I had been fascinated by this old Saami pic, since he looks like an Algerian Berber (or something):
https://preview.ibb.co/gGPYYe/9dc0f9cf.jpg
From the expedition:
http://www.luminous-lint.com/app/vex...5020067954861/

…. on account, that my V-haplo gran was a ‘black midget’ (normal, but a very short person).
Yet we do not have any “African” … oooor have some traces only. Like I have ½ % of 'African pygmy hunter-gatherer' … heh.
(Can't remember from which one).

P.S.
Or these clothing patterns would look “Saami” in Lapland:
https://images.jpost.com/image/uploa...eDetect/448102


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Today I got my "Black Elk Speaks" – book.
This version:
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....4,203,200_.jpg

And it has got maps, photographs, illustrations by Standing Bear aaaaand everything!

Black Elk doesn’t look that tall in the photos.
“I see small people”…..

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sentient
Oh, I see you have "the complete edition".:D
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Nice pics.
No need to sneak it in. I find it interesting that people travel and are diverse.

It is just that people outside Europe (including Amerinds) and Europeans themselves consider themselves as a “white race”.

But the original – Mesolithic Europeans weren’t:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/0JuK-BApolc/maxresdefault.jpg

There is this thing – it is not racism as such, but what should one call it … “white dignity”, or “red dignity” - which keeps blacks at arm’s length.
Amerinds, the ones I have known, who made 'Straya' their home had this too, which I still cannot understand.

A Tribe Called Red - "R.E.D." – in this regard – to me is an ‘odd note’ – but a very welcome one. Makes me respect them more:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXVyQiEPqbI

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I imagine what you refer to as dignity is more of a survival technique.
Or "Collective identity".
I also imagine that it may have to do with stereotyping.
It maybe as simple as black or darkness is scary or evil and gets a bad rap.
Where white gets a good or holy, purity stereotype.

I am only guessing. I really don't know.

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Yeah, I think you described “white dignity”.
Since I don’t have it, I can’t really understand it. It just feels a bit like a ‘fence’, one is not to go outside of.

But “red dignity” – when obviously there is interest, commonality and understanding on deeper levels.
Perhaps they know, they would be ‘owned’… ‘adopted’ in a heartbeat, which would set up an expectation to become involved and they know this involvement only too well from their own tribal communities - how it can get …..

This young man would be bonded for life … next too I would imagine ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lVt_0grNZY

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I don't worry about skin pigment "melanin" so much.
I analyze Love and fear in people and myself.
One being a uniter and the other a divider.:wink:

sentient
Ran across this article and thought it might interest you.
It may not and that is fine, but it is HERE for reference.

Here is a sentence to entice you or not.Since it is not a quick read.
shamanickundaliniawakening.com
https://shamanickundaliniawakening.c...cred-illusion/

A link to an Irish turf or stone sweat house pic..
https://greywolf.druidry.co.uk/wp-co...n1-300x224.jpg

Pic. is linked from this page.
https://greywolf.druidry.co.uk/2017/04/

Here is an online book.
Ojibwa Warrior
Dennis Bank and the rise of the American Indian Movement.
https://archivesrevolutionnaires.fil...n-movement.pdf

Excerpt from the book.

Quote:

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LOL

Music for your listening pleasure.
Pathway to Destiny - Louie Gonnie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td8rVnevfyk


Louie Gonnie - On Our Road of Life

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V38iEVjhP1s

Much Love

Thank you.
I downloaded it and will read it with interest.

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Didn't know Ireland had a sweat-lodge tradition!

Here some similar structures from Saamiland:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Saam...AU933&hl=en-US

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A few comments:
Yes, very true.

I think I’d rather call it a dream. And we do have a choice (in the beginning) which dream we wish to be a reflection of.

Except that this is still quite linear explanation. Linearity lacks paradoxicality.

True.
And when they do find themselves in this situation, they seem to think it is a new discovery a new dawn in the evolution of man, not realizing it has been here all the time, since the ancients.

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I just learned – my other gran’s mtDNA haplo H1a (= Veps – shared with some Saami) originally came from Tuaregs, who had moved into the Franco-Cantabrian region and from there "Doggerland".

So, there is descendance from Berbers as well :icon_eek:

Well, well, well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6Upp1RKTnU

The Berber plot thickens …

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Now, Martin High Bear says all people had a form of a sweat lodge and done some form of vision questing.(I have cassette tape recordings, old school artifacts LOL)

I believe this is very probable. We all came from the our Grandmother Earth.
People would have seen it very beneficial to purify with steam.
Especially in the cold times.:idea:
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I should have stated previously that I was not endorsing the book (Ojibwa Warrior)
I just stumbled on it. Free is free.
I was actually looking for a book called (Gift of Power the Life and teachings of a Lakota medicine man)
Archie Fire Lame Deer & Richard Erdoes.I had planned to copy and paste some parts of it.
This book talks a bit in the back about his liking of the Sami peoples he visited back in the 90s I believe.
This book I do kinda endorse as talking beautifully about Lakota ceremonies and Life.
Plus there is Boo Koo respect for his Father John Fire Lame Deer.(Both are deceased now though)
Too many deceased Elders.

"Necessity is the mother of invention" :smile:

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Yeah, I stumbled on this site also in my unsuccessful copy and paste mission.
shamanickundaliniawakening.com
Again not endorsing it, as I only skimmed it.

I remembered you asked maybe running about kundalini and shamanism and
wrapping your head around them.Or something simular.:smile:
It seemed like the person on that site got around.
So I threw it your way.

Don’t worry ImthatIm.
Trudell – whom I so much admire was AIM – was he not?
So, I am interested.

Though I do not 1/2 agree with – is what I consider as “Nazi” tactics of NAFPS.

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I think in Trudells early days he was into AIM activism.
Probably a member of AIM.
AIM in my opinion has morphed into a more militant group.
I understand where militancy comes from.:cool:
I have had my own militancy to deal with.It's just fear and inadequacy and pain reaching out into militancy, again IMO.


EDIT: Militancy may seem justified. But in the Spiritual realm it is not.To the best of my understanding.

EXACTLY!

I also ‘hate’ that the “Wolf Totem” of my V-Haplo gran’s Siberian great-something grandfather is seen as a political/militancy symbol for Anatolian Turks who actually (most parts) lack the Siberian/Asiatic Turk DNA aaand 'spirituality'.

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This is Tulpar:
https://steemitimages.com/DQmbtBAt1h...ds-d46dw0g.jpg

And this is Tulpar:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulpar...ile:TULPAR.jpg

Militarization destroys the culture and the spirituality they say they are protecting. Spirituality doesn't work that way ...

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Having seen all these pictures of Berbers or Amazigh people looking so cool on their camels has made me miss camels.
There are so many of them in Central Australia.

In Alice you would, every now and then see people coming through with their camels.
Just behind my then backyard:
https://ibb.co/MShtxBr

We need to learn to utilize all parts of the camel:
https://ibb.co/7SJnrhq

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Photo of the day
https://photocontest.smithsonianmag....atian-pelican/

Sentient
I've never missed a camel before.
Nice photos of camel stuffs.
I wonder how many fires have and are made with the dung? Many I imagine.

Doggerland from Berberlands that's a good bit to travel.
I see we're all related.(Us two legged)

Ok. Made a mistake. It is the other way round.


Lot of British and Irish are H1.

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Great photo!

Pelicans remind me of a movie …
Trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siKxwFpYEQc

Full Movie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCuoKT5K08c

If anyone is interested to watch it.

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Another David Gulpilil / Australian Classic “Walkabout”:

Trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdqwbs8uKwQ

Full movie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAG-...bArc&in dex=2

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I’ll add the David Gulpilil short film MESSiAH to this thread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v1_s99v5Mw

:smile:

I'll have to catch up one of these days.
The sun has got me doing other activities other than enjoying the web.

Speaking of web, me thinks not enough attention or respect is given to
the spider, since it seems we live side by side with our spider relatives.
They seem to be everywhere or at least most places.:cool:
Magical little being they are. Yep,Yep.:wink:

I know a few people who really like spiders. Why do you say they are magical? We largely let them be here, although the fleshier ones get caught and placed outside.

Early in the morning we see many webs or strings of webs left over from travel.
The webs or remnants will have rainbow refraction in the morning sun.
They especially leave long strings hanging from trees.
Sometimes we notice web that seemed to just appear out of nowhere.
Leaving you scratching your head, and asking "didn't I just walk through there"?
And this is just the physical aspect. In Native tradition and Spirituality they are
Big Medicine. Especially Grandmother Spider.
Here are some of the oral tradition and stories from Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider_Grandmother


pixiedust thanks for reminding me about the Time of the sixth sun series.:smile:

Yep. Watched it again,cause I like it.
Seen your trailers and will probably watch the movies later when the rain comes.
I look forward to watching them.:cool:

1 - Listening (Honor Song) - John Trudell - (album)Tribal Voices
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHQnEyEv3gY


13 - Song Of The Trees (Warm Springs Honoring Song) - John Trudell - (Album)But This Isn't El Salvador
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdip-Far6Cs