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innerlight 30-05-2018 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by linen53
Have you ever heard of the artist Thomas Kinkade inner? He paints quaint scenes often with a cottage nestled in it. I believe he is depicting our 'cottage' experiences. I think many have that kind of experience for one reason or another.

Yep! I made it through my tribulations in this life and finally got past those nasty stumbling blocks. It was tough but I made it.





I am familiar with the name, but not of the work. I would not be surprised in the least bit if many of the works of art/artists we know today, did not tap into consciousness and capture worlds that exist somewhere. Or music they've heard on other planets/dimensions/planes.

shivatar 30-05-2018 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by inavalan
So you're saying that's better (for soul, or whatever) to extend that "profoundly negative state of mind and emotions" while living too.

I don't believe that "suffering" is required, or useful to soul evolvement. Actually the opposite!

I don't advocate suicide, but instilling fear in those poor troubled minds is wrong, because after death the fear of retribution for what they did will put them through an imaginary hell, all too real for them.


What I'm saying is there is an unknown aspect to what happens after death. What I know about life and reality as we experience it is that there is a profound ability to control our experience. Maybe that control is limited to life.

There are people who can lucid dream and control their dreams. but for the vast majority of people and most nights of dreaming, there is little to no control. Maybe after death there is little to no control, just like dreaming.

I don't believe that suffering is required but I do believe that it has its uses. and that suffering is not contradictory to spiritual advancement. If it were it wouldn't make sense for so much of the spiritual seekers to be living an ascetic lifestyle.

also I believe soul is just a bigger and more impressive version of your current self. I believe soul is like you (or me) right now, but with the ability to see past lives and potential future lives. I believe soul is like a bookmark in our existence, it keeps track of our past and potential futures. But that is all I believe about the soul, it only has a few very small abilities that we dont have. Higher self though, I believe that is vastly different from us now. as different from an ant than the boot that steps on it.

People should feel free to share their wisdom no matter what, even if another person feels "instilled with fear". in sharing wisdom people should be able to enjoy freedom of communication, not have to watch what they say because of how the person might possibly take it.

linen53 31-05-2018 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by innerlight
I am familiar with the name, but not of the work. I would not be surprised in the least bit if many of the works of art/artists we know today, did not tap into consciousness and capture worlds that exist somewhere. Or music they've heard on other planets/dimensions/planes.


Thank you for keeping an open mind. That is so essential in a spiritual journey.

Rah nam 31-05-2018 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by hesitant_man
First of all, I just ask this question just to know it, not for planing anything like this.

I have thought about several cases which could apply:

1. One have a normal life and, for some reason, decides to take this decision.

2. One have some chronical disease.

3. One have some kind of disability.

4. One sacrifice himself to save others.

5. One decides to take bad habits to "speed up" the dying process.

I would like to apologise if this question has offended to anyone.





No matter how we die, when we die prematurely, it always depends on our state of mind. We arrive on the "other side" in the same state as we leave this side. The big difference is, we create an image that reflects our state of mind.

Just as some examples, a cousin of mine, spiritually aware, ill and did not want to be a burden to his family, committed suicide, and short after I asked my friends if he needed some assistance, they said yes, I ask if they can help, and next day when I checked he had crossed over.
An other family member committed suicide, he did not cope with life at all, highly depressed. When I entered the non physical earth realm with the assistance of my friends, I found him deep in a cave-like labyrinth. It took me at least a week of sitting twice a day, (without going into any details how it is done) until he became responsive and followed me so he could cross over.

I just use this two examples. I think they can show how different a crossing over with suicide can be.

Native spirit 31-05-2018 01:28 PM

Suicide is done for a variety of reasons.and none of us can condemn the person who does it.we don't know what state of mind that person was in. unless you have walked in that persons footsteps you can not know.
Thomas Kinkade was called the painter of light.his work is beautiful if you don't know about him google him.you wont be disappointed.
he has passed now.and that I believe was by suicide.
I am a medium and have bough people through who passed by their own hand.
from what they have told me they go into Healing.


Namaste

linen53 31-05-2018 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SlayerOfLight
I must say that's a very interesting post about the afterlife and quite detailed as well. If I may ask, this planet with the bubble you visited, was it a physical world like Earth or a spiritual world?


By physical vs spiritual world I think you mean a place you incarnate vs a place you go after you have completed an incarnation. I think. Let me know if I'm wrong.

It was a place people go after they have completed an incarnation. There was a bluff that separated me from the murmuring people. In their case they were obsessing in gossiping/murmuring. They lived in some kind of village of some sort out of my view.

They all wore gray/brownish robes with a rope like belt tied at the waist. No children. All adults.

linen53 31-05-2018 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by innerlight
I would not be surprised in the least bit if many of the works of art/artists we know today, did not tap into consciousness and capture worlds that exist somewhere. Or music they've heard on other planets/dimensions/planes.


I agree wholeheartedly.

linen53 31-05-2018 04:49 PM

Thomas Kinkade cottages

https://thomaskinkade.com/art-genre/cottages/

Native spirit 31-05-2018 09:18 PM

My daughter bought me a book .full of prints of his cottages.because she knows how much I love his work.

Namaste

Michelle11 01-06-2018 12:29 PM

My personal opinion is that we aren't judged for bailing. In fact it is sometimes a possible life potential given the stage we are at with a life lesson. It's never encouraged or wanted but sometimes the odds are stacked against us and our human brain sees no other options to fix our troubles. And that is the point. Suicide itself isn't the issue. Suicide is one solution to a problem we perceive is insurmountable. Some people resort to other solutions like drinking, running away or even homicide. As with any destructive driven solution, after we have committed suicide we can appreciate that it isn't a solution that solves anything and only serves to cause tremendous pain and suffering to our loved ones left behind so on top of regret for giving up we may also feel guilt and shame for hurting others but we aren't ever judged by anyone but ourselves and maybe some humans but never by spirit. It's understood how hard this experience is and no one is ever forced to take on a difficult life nor cast aside if they fail to be able to tolerate it once in it.

As for the lesson getting harder after one has suicided I suspect that would depend on where the soul is at and what the soul chooses. Lessons get harder in an effort to wake us up. Humans can be very resilient and adaptable and can learn how to live under very harsh circumstances. The status quo is often preferred over the unknown so we can turn a blind eye to our troubles because facing them is scary then living with the pain. Especially if we have learned how to suppress our feelings. So the ante gets upped or better said, we choose to up the ante as a means for drawing out the pain we so deftly learned to control so we can deal with it. But if we are already in a state of abject pain odds are we may not choose a worse life but maybe even one less painful to give us a better shot at sorting our human self out.

The truth is our soul isn't damaged, broken or unevolved. It's only the human perception that misleads us into believing those things and it is the goal of the soul to shift those perceptions so that more of its true nature can be expressed in the human form. But a human brain that is wired for survival can get caught up living in fear and it's a challenge for our soul to break past that bodily instinct. But in the process of realizing it's true nature in the human form we may make unhealthy, unhelpful, unloving choices to fix and/or solve our troubles until we finally see the only real solution is to throw love at it. Life is a process of trial and error. We will fail many times in the process of learning what works by experiencing what doesn't work because we only have an appreciation for what does and doesn't work by experiencing it for ourselves. At least that's my perception of things.


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