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BigJohn 01-10-2020 03:36 AM

😃 KINNIKINNICK 😃
 
It is about that time to make some Kinnikinnick.

I change my recipe about as often as I change my shirt.

First I get my tobacco.
Normally I use Red, Yellow and Hopi Tobacco.

I mix them up and then add my herbs.

Herbs I plan to use are:


Bearberry Leaf
Deer Tongue
Mullien
Osha Root
Red Raspberry Leaf
Red Willow Bark
Red Sumac
Spearmint
Yerba Santa
White Sage


Do you want to share any of your recipes?

ImthatIm 30-10-2020 07:38 PM

Cansasa
Inner or cambium layer of red willow bark.

BigJohn 31-10-2020 12:59 AM

Inner or cambium layer of Red Willow Bark sounds interesting.

My mixture is about 2/5 tobacco to 3/5 herbs.

ImthatIm 31-10-2020 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigJohn
Inner or cambium layer of Red Willow Bark sounds interesting.

My mixture is about 2/5 tobacco to 3/5 herbs.


Inner red willow is the main ingredient for smoking with the Chanunpa which
was brought from the White buffalo calf maiden to the Lakota/Dakota/Nakota people.

You can mix other herbs in with it and people often do.
I keep it simple and enjoy just the inner red willow bark.

Raven Poet 31-10-2020 11:42 PM

Ooooh, thanks for sharing! I think I will go harvest some red willow and some raspberry leaf tomorrow. I might have to go looking for bear berry though, but I know where to look.

Just a question to clarify - when harvesting the red willow, you peel off the outer red layer, then shave the inner bark, right? I might have seen this on this thread but I just wanted to clarify.

Miigwech!

ImthatIm 01-11-2020 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Raven Poet
Ooooh, thanks for sharing! I think I will go harvest some red willow and some raspberry leaf tomorrow. I might have to go looking for bear berry though, but I know where to look.

Just a question to clarify - when harvesting the red willow, you peel off the outer red layer, then shave the inner bark, right? I might have seen this on this thread but I just wanted to clarify.

Miigwech!


Yes peel the outer bark off of the red willow.
Then you can hold the stick and scrape off the inner bark.
Just don't go to deep and get to much of the wood layer.
You will quickly figure it out.

But if you need or want I have a link to someone peeling red willow bark.
It is kinda long 24mins. or so. But I'm sure you can skim to the parts you need to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY7ihxjYLQw

Happy gathering.
miigwech gayegiin.

Shaunc 02-11-2020 09:52 AM

Just interested because I smoke a tobacco pipe, why are herbs added to the tobacco.

ImthatIm 03-11-2020 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaunc
Just interested because I smoke a tobacco pipe, why are herbs added to the tobacco.


Some people I have heard do herbs with tobacco for flavor
and I also heard people say a herb mullein mixed with tobacco
could loosen phlegm in the lungs.

I think this is only for those that already smoke tobaccos.
Otherwise use it in a tea.

Shaunc 04-11-2020 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImthatIm
Some people I have heard do herbs with tobacco for flavor
and I also heard people say a herb mullein mixed with tobacco
could loosen phlegm in the lungs.

I think this is only for those that already smoke tobaccos.
Otherwise use it in a tea.


Thanks for the information.

BigJohn 06-11-2020 05:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaunc
Just interested because I smoke a tobacco pipe, why are herbs added to the tobacco.


If you ever smoke Hopi Tobacco, which some claim is similar to old, native tobacco, you probably would want to cut the tobacco because of its strength. Some people, who smoke Hopi Tobacco for the first time, get really sick.

LibbyScorp 08-11-2020 09:29 AM

Can you tell me more about what kinnikinnik is and it's purpose? Is it only for a certain time of the years? So it can be smoked and drank as a tea? I've googled some but just curious to hear from you guys.

ImthatIm 08-11-2020 12:44 PM

Kinnikinnick the word can be used in multiple ways.
It's uses vary also.

Kinnikinnick= Can be a general term for a smoking mixture.

Kinnikinnick= Referring to a plant (Bearberry) that can be smoked or made into a tea.

Chansasa is the word for what is smoked in the Lakota Sacred Calf Pipe.
Here is a nice link on Chansasa.

https://dakotaplants.wordpress.com/2018/03/25/chansasa/

Sorry for all the quotes but I think it is important to hear from
those more knowledgeable than myself.
In Native life to smoke or share in a pipe should be seen as Sacred.
A prayer and a bond and a way of honoring and connecting to all Life.


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In the past, Minnesota tribes used noncommercial tobacco for ceremonial use. Some tribes used kinnikinnick (“that which is mixed”) with red willow bark often mixed with plants such as bearberry. Others used asemaa, which is a plant in the Nicotiana rustica family. Today, Nicotiana tabacum (commercial tobacco) is used by many American Indians as a substitute for the Nicotiana rustica. —Carol Hernandez, Anishinaabe

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When Tobacco is burned, the smoke rises, which provides us a link to all the spirits beyond the sky and our Creator. Tobacco in its original form had both honor and purpose and did not contain all the chemicals that are now put into commercial tobacco. Traditional Tobacco is a Healer. It shows us Wisdom, Love, Respect, Bravery, Honesty, Humility, and Truth. When a Sacred Pipe Ceremony is conducted, we fill the pipe with Sacred Tobacco and offer it to Grandfather, the Great Spirit, then to the spirits of the East, South, West, and North, and then finally to Mother Earth. Taking part in this ceremony allows us to become centered in this life. —Kathleen Starlight Preuss, Dakota

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We also have to seek out our spiritual leaders and utilize them as much as possible to bring the teachings to our children of how tobacco ties into our seven values as Anishinaabe. The seven teachings being: Nibwaakaawin—Wisdom: To cherish knowledge is to know Wisdom; Zaagi'idiwin—Love: To know peace is to know Love; Minaadendamowin—Respect: To honor all creation is to have Respect; Aakode’ewin—Bravery: Bravery is to face the foe with integrity; Dabaadendiziwin—Humility: Humility is to know yourself as a sacred part of Creation; Debwewin—Truth: Truth is to know all of these things; Gwayakwaadiziwin— Honesty: Honesty in facing a situation is to be brave.

Our children are hungry to hear the teachings. —Gina Boudreau, Anishinaabe

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Traditional tobacco as understood and named by our people—asemaa, cansasa, kinnikinnick—will continue to be an integral component of our way of life.

LibbyScorp 08-11-2020 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImthatIm
Kinnikinnick the word can be used in multiple ways.
It's uses vary also.

Kinnikinnick= Can be a general term for a smoking mixture.

Kinnikinnick= Referring to a plant (Bearberry) that can be smoked or made into a tea.

Chansasa is the word for what is smoked in the Lakota Sacred Calf Pipe.
Here is a nice link on Chansasa.

https://dakotaplants.wordpress.com/2018/03/25/chansasa/

Sorry for all the quotes but I think it is important to hear from
those more knowledgeable than myself.
In Native life to smoke or share in a pipe should be seen as Sacred.
A prayer and a bond and a way of honoring and connecting to all Life.


Thank you so much for this. I'm reading the website now.

BigJohn 08-11-2020 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LibbyScorp
Can you tell me more about what kinnikinnik is and it's purpose? Is it only for a certain time of the years? So it can be smoked and drank as a tea? I've googled some but just curious to hear from you guys.

I never known anybody who drinks it like a tea......... generally just smoke and sometimes sprinkled around.

From what I have seen, one person uses it for this and another person uses for something slightly different. Generally used for special occasions.

ImthatIm 08-11-2020 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigJohn
I never known anybody who drinks it like a tea......... generally just smoke and sometimes sprinkled around.

From what I have seen, one person uses it for this and another person uses for something slightly different. Generally used for special occasions.


I realize I have mentioned tea.
I want to be clear. Tea that I mentioned in post #8 I was referring to only
Mullein in a tea. I realize I was NOT specific in my post #8 and I should have been.

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Kinnikinnick when refering to only Bearberry can be used in a tea.

Quote:

Uva ursi (of the genus Arctostaphylos) is a plant species also commonly referred to as
bearberry, kinnikinnick, beargrape, rockberry, sandberry, and more.
Though uva ursi is oftentimes used interchangeably with the name bearberry,
it is actually one of several variations of bearberry.

Quote above is from link below.
https://www.verywellhealth.com/uva-u...nefits-4582831

Tea using only bearberry (Kinnikinnick) is mentioned a bit more then
half way down the page under the heading Dosage and Preparation.

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Kinnikinnick when refering to a smoking or offering mix especially when tobacco is in it
I would NOT, I repeat NOT use in a tea.
Tobacco can be toxic or poisonous if drank in a tea.

Quote:

Can drinking tobacco kill you?
Nicotine poisoning describes the symptoms of the toxic effects
of nicotine following ingestion, inhalation,
or skin contact. Nicotine poisoning can potentially be deadly,
though serious or fatal overdoses are rare.


LibbyScorp 08-11-2020 11:02 PM

This is great info. Appreciate it.

BigJohn 09-11-2020 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImthatIm
I realize I have mentioned tea.
I want to be clear. Tea that I mentioned in post #8 I was referring to only
Mullein in a tea. I realize I was NOT specific in my post #8 and I should have been.

>>>
>>>
>>>

Kinnikinnick when refering to only Bearberry can be used in a tea.



Quote above is from link below.
https://www.verywellhealth.com/uva-u...nefits-4582831

Tea using only bearberry (Kinnikinnick) is mentioned a bit more then
half way down the page under the heading Dosage and Preparation.

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>>>

Kinnikinnick when refering to a smoking or offering mix especially when tobacco is in it
I would NOT, I repeat NOT use in a tea.
Tobacco can be toxic or poisonous if drank in a tea.

Thanks for the clarity.

If we ever meet up, I will let you share some of my medicine if you want and maybe even smoke a bowlful.

ImthatIm 09-11-2020 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigJohn
Thanks for the clarity.

If we ever meet up, I will let you share some of my medicine if you want and maybe even smoke a bowlful.


I am honored BigJohn.

BigJohn 09-11-2020 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImthatIm
I am honored BigJohn.


Actually..... I am honored.


About 20 years ago, I joined the 'Church'.

It was a new charter.
The person sponsoring the charter was the 1st member.
His wife was the 2nd member
and I was the third card carrying member.

As a 'Church member', I got enough medicine that I think I have enough for at least another 20 more years.

ImthatIm 10-11-2020 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigJohn
Actually..... I am honored.


About 20 years ago, I joined the 'Church'.

It was a new charter.
The person sponsoring the charter was the 1st member.
His wife was the 2nd member
and I was the third card carrying member.

As a 'Church member', I got enough medicine that I think I have enough for at least another 20 more years.


I have much respect for the 'Church' and have attended many times in the past.
It is nice to see that you helped start a 'Church'.

When I first experienced NAC members they had a drum tied and
were singing and I realized right away, that these guys are intense
and I listened with amazement.

To this day I still listen to the music and instantly get transported into
a trance state and the doorway opens, similar to, if I were sitting in a Tipi meeting.

I been enjoying Louie Gonnie songs recently. He does a bit of a contemporary/studio take
on some of his NAC songs but I enjoy it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaCb_OVg2GQ

Nice to connect with you again BigJohn :smile:

BigJohn 10-11-2020 10:55 PM

Same here, nice to reconnect with you ImthatIm.

............ and going to 'Church' is something we look forward to.

Odd bunch of chaps we are, aren't we?

ImthatIm 11-11-2020 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigJohn
Same here, nice to reconnect with you ImthatIm.

............ and going to 'Church' is something we look forward to.

Odd bunch of chaps we are, aren't we?


Odd bunch of chaps indeed. I wouldn't have it any other way.

My Life has been Blessed because of it.
I would not change any seeming difficulty or challenge unless it
hurt someone else.

I Love the way you talk about heading to the mountains to commune
with the Spirits. I am exactly the same way.
I have never been in your neck of the woods.
I bet it has many Blessing and Sacred spots to discover.
I know pics. and videos make it seem like a wonderous colorful
Masterpiece.

I pray for many Blessing for you and your family.

BigJohn 11-11-2020 03:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImthatIm
Odd bunch of chaps indeed. I wouldn't have it any other way.

My Life has been Blessed because of it.
I would not change any seeming difficulty or challenge unless it
hurt someone else.

I Love the way you talk about heading to the mountains to commune
with the Spirits. I am exactly the same way.
I have never been in your neck of the woods.
I bet it has many Blessing and Sacred spots to discover.
I know pics. and videos make it seem like a wonderous colorful
Masterpiece.

I pray for many Blessing for you and your family.


Thank you. I appreciated that.

Where I live..... is the land where Cochise, Geronimo and others lived.
Every time it is raining and I drive by where Cochise's Stronghold was on the west side of the mountain, I can guaranteed I will see a beam of light shining down on those sacred grounds.

Raven Poet 21-11-2020 02:57 AM

To ImthatIam: Kitchi miigwech for the details and the posted link. I will definitely watch it! Be well!

BigJohn 06-04-2021 08:02 AM

After re-reading this thread,
I think it is about time I plant
some Hopi Tobacco seeds.

Besides, where I live, it is getting harder
and harder to buy Tobacco leaves.

seigo 12-02-2023 09:24 AM

some i kno of have found the "kill switch on their human ageing process"

i wuz inside the Untity church Pyramid for an Gregg Braden, an American author expose/ exhibit display of spiritual tools Former Black opps government CIA Mind Bender

Any way he said he met and knew of
Himalayan Kundalini NUNS (same meaning as catholic nuns) that had inadvertently Operated their "Ageing switch and was turned off"
Claims he rendered were those Kundalini Nuns "Arhat Class" moved like wind Looked like prom dates and were over 130 years old

They were in Himalayan mountains in/from local nunnary there
nunnary > noun a building or group of buildings in which nuns live as a religious community; a convent.

Presently my DNA RNA repairs have me eating ~ Snacking on way more than standard DNA Enabled Critters Like squid oysters octipi and clams

one of the above listed "Octopus" has Copper colored blood instead of iron Three hearts Also have 9 brains 2,700,000 base pairs DNA Humans have 25,000. Base pairs DNA

Gauze Pull Thomas 7 Jesus said: Blessed is the lion which the man shall eat, and the lion become man; and cursed is the man whom the lion shall eat, and the lion become man. After 25 years reading such 4 first time wild guess its Application BUT Please note i also spent 10 is years of vegan ~ vegetarian Decision While i trained under a certain master

spent a few years with the likes of Kundalini Nuns in the 5 house were residential Nuns at that nunnery

Yoga Central-Kundalini Yoga, 1123 Jackson Blvd, Houston ...https://www.mapquest.com › ... › Texas › Houston
Get directions, reviews and information for Yoga Central-Kundalini Yoga in Houston, TX.

Such as stated above was non exercise class BUT we held poses and sat as she applied oils and aerosol~ed room with Beautiful aromas and brewed up Drinking teas from like Fennel seed or cardamom tea Bases

There within were the most beautiful souls id seen
entire building had Glowing aura around it

Non advertising here but Gals there only charged 10$ per session
Such is code for just enough to pay for Expenses and keep utilities going

seigo 12-02-2023 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BigJohn
Besides, where I live, it is getting harder
and harder to buy Tobacco leaves.

i once scored some indian blue corn once

https://www.leafonly.com/tobacco-lea...tobacco-smooth > Tobacco Leaves By
The Pound Brightleaf Virginia Flue Cured - Smooth

One caveat id noticed is indians do not get lung cancer
Then Again we stole the north Americas from them and terrorized and traumatized them and stripped them of their human rights while getting extremely rich Does seem karma has Vicious Nature toward Abusers Making so many Homeless Victims

and eating high on the hog at what Americans call thanks giving
Providing Zero food for homeless indigents

so many people with zero tolerance for nature poison ants and kill the bees and wasps AND Never think twice

Islamic people say for each blade of grass that a tiny force of nature AKA sprite tells each blade of grass grow grow grow grow

christian bible Job 12:7 But ask the animals, and they will instruct you; ask the birds of the air, and they will tell you. 8 Or speak to the earth, and it will teach you; let the fish of the sea inform you.

So if the tobacco is used for the "sprites" to appease them Tea leaf can be used also

Apologizes if i wandered around here too much to follow But in churches ive heard others say about me that im mentally cross referencing like 5 different ideas at one time

In such case just chalk it up to any oops factor and proceed to something that makes perfect sense does not POSE IN my boat wake/waves


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