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Miss Hepburn 21-09-2021 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by sky123
I personally don't see life as a 'Test' but as an educational adventure...

I agree. There is learning and growing, sure.
If something is not learned - sure, we are taught again in some other way, that is the
Nature of the Universe, creation or 'God's Brilliant System'.
There's no test, imo. (Tho, I used to think that.)


eninn - Rem, when you are able to, pls answer my PM...I think you need more posts. Thanks

eninn 21-09-2021 05:44 PM

And this worldly life is not but diversion and amusement. And indeed, the home of the Hereafter - that is the [eternal] life, if only they knew.
Surah Al-'Ankabut - 64 | Quran

God tells us about the insignificance of this world and its demise and its end, it is entertainment and play.

and the home of the Hereafter that is the
the eternal life that has no ephemeral or elapsed, but it is continuous forever and ever.

Jacob 4:14 WMB
Yet you don’t know what your life will be like tomorrow. For what is your life? For you are a vapor that appears for a little time and then vanishes away

sky 21-09-2021 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eninn
God tells us about the insignificance of this world and its demise and its end, it is entertainment and play.

There's nothing wrong imo with ' Entertainment and play ' what is the purpose in being alive if you don't enjoy and rejoice in what you have.
Muslims also enjoy entertainment, singing and dancing, listening to music etc: some also enjoy drinking Alcohol.

eninn 21-09-2021 09:23 PM

Enjoying in this world is a beautiful thing,

But we must avoid the prohibitions of God


And you do not forget the afterlife. Death may overtake you while you dance, sing and drink wine, and this was not done by Christ, peace be upon him.

He did not dance, sing, and drink wine, but he prayed

as a devout Muslim prays and did not drink alcohol

like a Muslim who adheres to the teachings of God.

9 “You and your sons are not to drink wine or other fermented drink(Leviticus 10:9


Christ was prostrating himself on earth to God, as did the prophets before him and the Muslims
Matthew 26:39

Do Christians pray like him؟
of course no

But they are sitting on wooden benches and staring at the *deleted* pictures, drawings and icons, which are neither for Christ nor for his mother

sky 22-09-2021 06:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eninn
Do Christians pray like him؟
of course no

But they are sitting on wooden benches and staring at the *deleted* pictures, drawings and icons, which are neither for Christ nor for his mother

You nor anyone else knows what's in the 'Heart' of the people who are 'Praying' to their God.
Jesus himself enjoyed a drink of Wine according to Scriptures :smile: as did His Disciples. Muhammed also enjoyed His Wine according to Islamic Scriptures.

https://i.stack.imgur.com/XZgGR.png.
' A man said: 'O Messenger of Allah, shall we not give you some Nabidh?' He said: 'Yes.' The man rushed out and brought a vessel in which was some Nabidh'....

MAYA EL 22-09-2021 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eninn
Enjoying in this world is a beautiful thing,
But we must avoid the prohibitions of God

Tell me what does your god say you are to do to me if I stand against Islam ?

eninn 22-09-2021 11:09 AM

Christians use this hadith, to say: "Look, your prophet drank wine."

But in this hadith, where is the sign of the fermentation of drink? This is a question they will never be able to answer.

The Prophet (may God bless him and grant him peace) did not drink an intoxicating or alcoholic drink, but a very useful drink.

in Quran
Allah says (Ye who believe intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination, of Satan's handiwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper.

- Satan's plan is (but) to excite enmity and hatred between you, with intoxicants and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of God, and from prayer: will ye not then abstain?) 90-91].
God forbids drinking alcohol

The Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, never drank alcohol before or after the prohibition of alcohol
The drink of the Prophet Muhammad was as follows

The Prophet Muhammad used to put raisins in water
until the taste of the water became sweet, then he drink it
And he didnt leave the drink until it ferments


Example
The drink that Muslims drink at breakfast in Ramadan, a Muslim puts dates or raisins in the water then drink it

Christ, peace be upon them, didnt drink alcohol

According to the correct verses of the Bible

But the other verses that refer to the prophets and Christ drank wine, these verses are invalid because these verses were invented and written by unknown writers, in addition to Paul, who destroyed the original doctrine of Christ.

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If you know and are sure that Islam is the truth and deny it, you will enter Hell

Likewise,If you know and are sure that Jesus, peace be upon him,he was a prophet of God and not God or the son of God and deny it, you will enter Hell

33Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? "(Matthew 23.33)

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. ”(Matthew 25,41)

22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister[a] will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’[c] is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.”(Matthew 5,22)

29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.
"(Matthew 5,29-30)

All of these verses make it clear that an everlasting and painful retribution awaits unbelievers in a place where there will be gnashing of teeth and weeping. It would be better to cut off eyes, hands or feet than to have to undergo this terrible punishment intended for the ungodly.

As we see, eternal hell is a reality in the Bible. Those who dispute this reality have only to contradict us on the matter and surely they will never succeed. The verses are explicit on the matter.

sky 22-09-2021 12:05 PM

Alcohol in Islam.
 
https://islaminitsownwords.blogspot....k-alcohol.html

Of course as in ALL Religions People's interpretations of Scriptures differ. The first Miracle that Jesus is said to have performed was changing Water into Wine so obviously He wouldn't have done this if He thought Alcohol should have been prohibited...

eninn 22-09-2021 01:15 PM

All hadiths are weak and incorrect, because God forbade alcohol in the Qur’an, and therefore the Prophet Muhammad, who was sent by God to convey the message to people, did not disobey him.

Would God send absent-minded prophet?!
No of course

Does God contradict himself ? god forbade alcohol in the Qur’an, and he allow drink it

No of course

Even the verses of the Qur’an in which God means that He has blessed us with dates and grapes and others

We can eat it fresh without fermenting and spoiling


Muslims do not interpret the words of God and His Messenger as they like, like Christians
Interpretation according to the Qur’an and the words of the Prophet from the authentic hadiths

Have you asked yourself why two billion Muslims do not drink wine but some stray sheep?

Of course, because they follow the Qur’an and the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad

Do not get your information from anti-Islam websites only
without studying the Qur’an and studying the true biography of the Prophet


Jesus is said to have performed was changing Water into Wine so obviously

There is no doubt that this is one of the fabricated and false legends attributed to this great prophet,
jesus

and it is not hidden from anyone about the ugliness and harms of alcohol that cannot be counted, and it was prohibited in all the heavenly religions.

Multiple sources acknowledge there is no evidence, other than questionable testimonies of second century authors, to suggest that the disciple John was the author of the Gospel of John.Perhaps the most convincing refutation is that the disciple John is believed to have died in or around 98 CE.However, the Gospel of John was written circa 110 CE. So whoever Luke (Paul’s companion), Mark (Peter’s secretary), and John (the unknown, but certainly not the long-dead one) were, we have no reason to believe any of the gospels were authored by Jesus’ disciples

BigJohn 22-09-2021 02:10 PM

INTERESTING POINTS!

Since the beginning of the Temperance movement, many Christian Churches have made the claim that the alcohol mentioned in the Bible was grape juice.


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