Alan Kardec
Yes, you helped a lot. You are very kind and patient with newbies :D
May I ask you, then, what is the position of Modern Spiritualism towards Alan Kardec's work? Blessings :smile: |
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Thank you for your concern - it's an easy mistake to make and one which gets compounded by others who respond but themselves do not understand.... I've just recalled you're writing from Portugal where I believe you may encounter 'Spiritism' rather than 'Modern Spiritualism'. There are no significant differences however although the language may be slightly different (I don't mean it's Portugese :wink:) If I may speak a little further, the basis of Modern Spiritualism is that we survive our physical death and emerge to live again, and again, and again should we choose. It's an amazingly simple philosophy which when one investigates just a little one finds that so many conundrums of day-to-day life can be understood, in itself helping to deal with the pressures we face. It is not just 'speaking to the dead' as many will describe it. It's a philosophy for life. Reassurance of survival can come from communication through mediumship with those we loved but who have passed over. That can be an earth-shattering realisation although communication can never be guaranteed - it's not like using a cell phone! So.....from what you have now told us, maybe you didn't post in the wrong forum after all? What do you think? :wink: :hug3: |
You are right mac, here in Portugal we find "Spiritism" rather than "Modern Spiritualism", but I guess the difference lies majorly in a language difference more than in a conceptual one.
Looks like I didn't post at the wrong section, after all, and I'm glad I did even if that took me by an idiot :sign10: As far as I can see, Modern Spiritualism lays on a every-day life support, not only "talking to the death" for curiosity or simply because we miss our beloved ones. I was not allowed, for some reason, or I was not supposed to, get in touch with my diseased brother and grandfather, but I was given somehow a feeling that I was being guided, though I felt in a total loneliness and despair, finding no sense in my losses and no reason for being alive. All I felt was guilt and resentment to myself because I had some issues with both of my beloved ones, and it seemed that now I would never had the chance to give my best to them and let themselves proud of me. But I left that Church with the feeling that I actually had the chance to do that. My lesson then, I believe, was learning to accept and heal myself and it seems I was being guided and helped in that process instead of committing suicide and throw it all away. So I would say yes, that experience had a pratical application in my life. I think that Modern Spiritualism may give us some kind of insight and orientation, even if communication to our beloved ones is not guaranteed. In relation to the communication with spirits, whether they are familiar to us or not, I think we should take what they say with caution, since the souls are in different paths of evolution and they find themselves in different levels of awareness (I kept that idea from Alan Kardec's work). It is not just as simple as talking to a spirit and ask him "ok, tell me the absolute truth about the after-death and the creation of souls". That would be nice, but doesn't seem to me that easy at all, right? :tongue: Thank you so much for your explanation. I'm glad my ignorance turned into a productive conversation :D |
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I 'cut my teeth' on 'The Spirits Book' (compiled by Kardec) but looking through recently, after perhaps 15 years, I was shocked by its archaic feel. That said there is much which is in line with Spiritualist teaching, albeit it written in a modern fashion! But the truth which came from the spirit communicators then is now just as much the truth as it ever was. It has to be said, though, that communicators were not always highly spiritually evolved individuals and their perceptions may be a little mistaken. Take reincarnation which is declared there as automatic and frequent for all souls - I struggled with this until recent years when 'the penny dropped' that freewill means that we may choose if we have further incarnations when we have reached a certain level of advancement, of understanding. I am touched that you feel I am patient...thank you for that...:redface: I try my best but often I fail. |
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"I'm glad my ignorance turned into a productive conversation" I wonder if your alleged ignorance was nothing of the sort - just something within you which was waiting to be liberated. It is a pleasure and a privilege to work with someone who clearly has made huge progress in a very few lines... "It is not just as simple as talking to a spirit and ask him "ok, tell me tha absolute truth about the after-death and the creation of souls". That would be nice, but doesn't seem to me that easy at all, right?" "I think we should take what they say with caution, since the souls are in different paths of evolution and they find themselves in different levels of awareness" Absolutely bang-on right! But there are more ways of skinning a cat than one....Where's this ignorance you were claiming, eh? :wink: "My lesson then, I believe, was learning to accept and heal myself and it seems I was being guided and helped in that process instead of committing suicide and throw it all away. So I would say yes, that experience had a pratical application in my life" Who is helping whom tonight? (my time) I'm sitting here listening - you already have the answers.... :hug3: |
It is so nice to find people like you who are available to help and explain what is not very clear to some of us. You've helped a lot and though I enjoy learning on myself investigating and reading, there's nothing more amazing than findind out on other's experiences that something we thought of or we felt so strongly to be true is REAL afterall, and we were not going mad. It is also good to feel that seeking for a truth or something that helps us fuller understanding life and human condition is not the same as being unsuccessful or unable to normally living in a daily basis.
I am looking forward to find previous posts of your own so that I can learn a little more on your personal experience. You seem very comfortable with this theme and that almost for sure has influenced your journey in a more practical manner. It's not only about "knowing for the knowledge itself", but rather a "knowing how to live better using what we know". People in the church I went to also practised some kind of "aura cleansing procedures" which involved some prayers, but weren't exactly a ritual. I felt extremely sleepy that day, after the procedure which I was said that was supposed to clean me out from "negative emotional charge" which by themselves could attract lower entities. Some people there seemed a little paranoic to me, but afterall it's all about how each people lives his/her own beliefs, not an issue of a belief system itself. Blessings and thank you for your kind words and clear explanations! :smile: |
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My pleasure and my privilege. What you've described in terms of learning by yourself and finding corroboration from others is one of the most satisfying things for me also. As time passes this happens less but as that is happening I have been told that my role is now to help the path of others and I could wish nothing more... As you've accurately observed I am very comfortable with this and other spiritual themes and issues. It's taken a time to get there may I add!! I have read all the rest of your posting which is very interesting - thank you. I hope you do find something from my earlier postings which appeals to you although the fortunes of SF have recently been very shaky and much appears lost, maybe irretrievably...:icon_frown: I also post extensively elsewhere, places I think you may also find interesting. pm if you are interested although in about 12 hours time I will be offline for a few days as we visit the balloon festival.... |
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Hi jeremy I am considering going to my local spiritualist church, but im a little worried. Please could you give me some insight as to what happens there? |
Hi Im a Spiritualist as well!
Most of the services Iv been to - depending on type - usually follow this format: Introduction and Opening Prayer Hymn Healing Prayer Reading of text Hymn Inspirational talk about the text Hymn Introduction of Medium Mediums demonstration - giving messages to the congregation Final notices Closing Prayer A cup of tea and biscuit offered. Healing services and demonstration services usually are sligtly different. |
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good to hear, SB. Just a general note, though, that Spiritualism (forum title) isn't just about churches - I'm one of the staunchest Spiritualists you'll find but churches are not my thing..... But I support church work wholeheartedly. |
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