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naturesflow 25-02-2016 06:41 AM

Is shyness really fear?
 
I would often be classed as a shy child into my young adult years and even older adult years.

Not so much now.

Fear was part of my world one with shyness, so I wondered if anyone who understands shyness, feels they are related?

I am an introverted nature but that is not what made me shy, that is more how I process the world within so I suppose as a child I did spend a lot of time, watching, observing, taking in, not speaking much. And processing in this way, more silently observing and building meaning and connection this way.

Of course add fear in the mix and you have a recipe for definite appearance of shyness.

So maybe they are both related.

pearlswan 25-02-2016 06:54 AM

I think I'm an ambivert, as I could be an introvert but extrovert as well. Depending on the surrounding, people, my mood, etc. Though I guess mostly I prefer in solitude. In psychology it is said that shy and introvert is NOT the same. Everyone and anyone could be shy, but not an introvert. I'm not really sure how I could give an example myself since now I don't get out often. But when I'm at the mall or stores, I don't feel 'shy' but rather like, uncomfortable? I don't get anxious or scared or anything, I just feel uncomfy sometimes. That's all. Sometimes it gets itchy that I decided to walk pass a store that I wanted to go in lol.

RedEmbers 25-02-2016 07:16 AM

Introversion is said to mean that a person gains there energy from solitude as opposed to extroverts gaining energy from being amongst other people.

Where as shy is defined as feeling nervous or timid around other people... this definition sounds alot like social anxiety.

Most of my life I have been introverted but growing up I was also very loud and outgoing in a crowd... in fact I quite enjoyed being social but also needed alot of alone time.

Shyness for me kicked in in my mid teens because I became too self concious. My worth was based on how outrageous others had percieved me in the past so as I my personality started to calm down I was really scared that people would no longer like me...

In experienceing both sides of the scale by living in a fearless state at first and then living in a fearful state I am very inclined to think that shyness is more often than not, a fearful state.
Introverted people who I have met and spoken to, once they understand their nature tend to feel quite accepting of that it in a social context. Where as people who I have spoken to share their experiences of being of feeling shy tend to talk about fearing how others may percieve them.

Baile 25-02-2016 08:25 AM

We live many lifetimes, we incarnate to experience the gamut of human feelings, behaviors, etc. Shyness, and being an introvert, is one particular experience. Next lifetime the individual will no doubt incarnate as a bawdy extrovert. And people will ask, Is being extroverted really lack of sensitivity?

J/K :wink:

naturesflow 25-02-2016 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Baile
We live many lifetimes, we incarnate to experience the gamut of human feelings, behaviors, etc. Shyness, and being an introvert, is one particular experience. Next lifetime the individual will no doubt incarnate as a bawdy extrovert. And people will ask, Is being extroverted really lack of sensitivity?

J/K :wink:


Why cant it all be here and now?

naturesflow 25-02-2016 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by pearlswan
I think I'm an ambivert, as I could be an introvert but extrovert as well. Depending on the surrounding, people, my mood, etc. Though I guess mostly I prefer in solitude. In psychology it is said that shy and introvert is NOT the same. Everyone and anyone could be shy, but not an introvert. I'm not really sure how I could give an example myself since now I don't get out often. But when I'm at the mall or stores, I don't feel 'shy' but rather like, uncomfortable? I don't get anxious or scared or anything, I just feel uncomfy sometimes. That's all. Sometimes it gets itchy that I decided to walk pass a store that I wanted to go in lol.


I am both too, but predominately introverted processing. Having let go of fearful behaviours, I wondered naturally if fear was actually what others and myself determined as being *shy*. That within the introverted open nature not holding down in fear their is the potential of being both like you feel you can be and myself too. Shyness being more a point of unable to speak because still processing too much in the surroundings and not clear to do so? Knowing my introverted nature in deep thought I most often in this way, realize I am inward reflecting on outward surroundings. If this is too much I tend to want to be alone to clear out the inflow of others or life.


I am with you on the places, mood and surroundings. Even certain people. I love people but my introverted nature when I go quiet now is more I am needing down time or alone time to find myself again.

naturesflow 25-02-2016 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RedEmbers
Introversion is said to mean that a person gains there energy from solitude as opposed to extroverts gaining energy from being amongst other people.


Yes
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Where as shy is defined as feeling nervous or timid around other people... this definition sounds alot like social anxiety.


Yes which I guess relates to the fear space. Their is also the aspect as a child as not having enough down time to process and let go of so much external stimulation, so naturally inward reflecting and being quiet can signal this as well.

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Most of my life I have been introverted but growing up I was also very loud and outgoing in a crowd... in fact I quite enjoyed being social but also needed alot of alone time.

Shyness for me kicked in in my mid teens because I became too self concious. My worth was based on how outrageous others had percieved me in the past so as I my personality started to calm down I was really scared that people would no longer like me...

In experienceing both sides of the scale by living in a fearless state at first and then living in a fearful state I am very inclined to think that shyness is more often than not, a fearful state.
Introverted people who I have met and spoken to, once they understand their nature tend to feel quite accepting of that it in a social context. Where as people who I have spoken to share their experiences of being of feeling shy tend to talk about fearing how others may percieve them.


Yes feeling more empowered as an introvert and managing and finding balance within all going on naturally will give a more balanced connection I suppose.

I think your right shyness is withholding in fear of expression so feeling unwilling to let go and express in fear of what is at stake, where as introversion without fear, is withholding in process and more open and willing to express regardless..

naturesflow 25-02-2016 09:18 AM

The other thing I am learning being more of an extrovert now days and being aware of myself on both sides is that extroverts who are more outspoken and letting go more continuously through their way of sharing and processing, tend to support the introvert more so, in ways where we as introverts who tend to get to deep in thought and stay disconnected from the world in that introverted processing space, can pull us up and out into a more open space of connection. Get over it faster and get going again.

So I suppose holding both helps me to build balance in myself overall now.

Fear and introversion could become a fuel mix where one might go too far within and find it more difficult to come back into the world again. Setting up a pattern of depression and isolation more so. Or withdrawal in some instances.

RedEmbers 25-02-2016 09:48 AM

An acquaintance of mine was telling me about a time in his life spent overseas as a young adult where he was constantly in very close proximity to those he worked with everyday.
Essentially it was a tight knit community which worked and lived together (I am reluctant to use the term commune here lol)... any way... a very different experience to what I and he himself were familiar with as a "rural bred Australians".

Anywho, he was speaking in a sense of the transition from identifying as an introvert to sort of having to adapt to a situation which requires a fair degree of extroversion...

It all makes me wonder all the more about human adaptability...


Hmmm furthermore it makes me wonder about my identity as a "country kid" familiar with the wide open spaces and quite at home with the isolation that comes with my own cultural identity...

Adaptability... its something that makes us so success as humans... it often feels that it seems to trump concrete beliefs of identity.

naturesflow 25-02-2016 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by RedEmbers
An acquaintance of mine was telling me about a time in his life spent overseas as a young adult where he was constantly in very close proximity to those he worked with everyday.
Essentially it was a tight knit community which worked and lived together (I am reluctant to use the term commune here lol)... any way... a very different experience to what I and he himself were familiar with as a "rural bred Australians".

Anywho, he was speaking in a sense of the transition from identifying as an introvert to sort of having to adapt to a situation which requires a fair degree of extroversion...

It all makes me wonder all the more about human adaptability...


Hmmm furthermore it makes me wonder about my identity as a "country kid" familiar with the wide open spaces and quite at home with the isolation that comes with my own cultural identity...

Adaptability... its something that makes us so success as humans... it often feels that it seems to trump concrete beliefs of identity.



I see how this in some ways as a way to push you out of your own comfort zone. Sometimes a change of scenery is good change for self and its own normal orientation. Some of my biggest cues of awareness was when I was thrust in places uncomfortable, foreign and needing to take care of myself without much support or those comforts. Kind of opening up fully in ways where I had no choice but to face what was wanting to open up in me with the world and others.


Shaking things up tends to open up how we can adapt as humans, much like your friend shows. When the environment calls for it, sometimes you just have to dive in and learn how you can be, rather than how you think you are.

In some ways changing environments or changing things up, as I am learning and have learned, can bring wide open those aspects in you that think they don't fit, think they have to struggle, think they have to be a certain way, only to open a space of realization that we can find it within us in everyway of believing that everything we do need is in us to reach in and find. Again not holding yourself defined by your familiar nature.

Baile 25-02-2016 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by naturesflow
Why cant it all be here and now?

Is examining shyness and wondering if it's fear, here and now philosophy?

Is shyness fear?
Is shyness one particular incarnation experience?

Either way it's philosophizing that runs counter to the here and now experience of either being shy, or meeting someone who is shy. Rather than simply experiencing shyness, it's analyzing and intellectualizing and projecting what shyness might possibly and actually be.

Howla Dark 25-02-2016 10:40 AM

Shyness is deep rooted. It can be fear for some. A shy animal is afraid of being killed so it hides. In a way, a shy child is shy of people because they look dangerous or intimidating. A shy adult is feeling a sense of that fear or vulnerability.

Some shyness is just not fear but a personality trait, like introversion. Being introvert doesn't really mean someone is also shy.

Shyness is a form of embarassment too. A person can be shy of wearing a certain type of clothing because they don't want to look stupid.

A shy sense of being phobic of other people is social anxiety or it can be avoidance personality. I'm like this and it's because I feel drained being among people. Listening to people chattering all day gives me a headache especially when they talk a load of rubbish.

naturesflow 25-02-2016 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Baile
Is examining shyness and wondering if it's fear, here and now philosophy?

Is shyness fear?
Is shyness one particular incarnation experience?

Either way it's philosophizing that runs counter to the here and now experience of either being shy, or meeting someone who is shy. Rather than simply experiencing shyness, it's analyzing and intellectualizing and projecting what shyness might possibly and actually be.



Depends on this whole notion that you often refer too in your belief of past lives I guess.

I was stating that maybe that is might be part of your illusion believing that your next life you might be an extrovert or not shy or not fearful and so on.


My question was what if you can be all this right now here in this world as it is right now. That the belief that you can be that another time is just a limitation in the bounds of you versus the infinite view where your defining yourself as a source that cant be this here and now.

naturesflow 25-02-2016 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Howla Dark
Shyness is deep rooted. It can be fear for some. A shy animal is afraid of being killed so it hides. In a way, a shy child is shy of people because they look dangerous or intimidating. A shy adult is feeling a sense of that fear or vulnerability.


Yes we are part of nature so we do respond in so many ways according to what we know and understand about nature in everyway.

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Some shyness is just not fear but a personality trait, like introversion. Being introvert doesn't really mean someone is also shy.


I don't relate introversion to shyness, but fear in the mix certainly can make one shy away from being more open and outgoing.

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Shyness is a form of embarassment too. A person can be shy of wearing a certain type of clothing because they don't want to look stupid.

Well If your feeling embarrassed in this way, isn't that more your worrying about how you look in front of others, which would be more about acceptance to be as you want to be.
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A shy sense of being phobic of other people is social anxiety or it can be avoidance personality. I'm like this and it's because I feel drained being among people. Listening to people chattering all day gives me a headache especially when they talk a load of rubbish.

Again though this is part of fear and anxiety. Or just a call to avoid something you don't like doing or want to be a part of all the while knowing what affects it has on you.

It seems placing shyness as a trait upon people potentially has so much more going on within it that its hard to say whether it actually exists alone.

skygazer 25-02-2016 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by naturesflow
I would often be classed as a shy child into my young adult years and even older adult years.

Not so much now.

Fear was part of my world one with shyness, so I wondered if anyone who understands shyness, feels they are related?

I am an introverted nature but that is not what made me shy, that is more how I process the world within so I suppose as a child I did spend a lot of time, watching, observing, taking in, not speaking much. And processing in this way, more silently observing and building meaning and connection this way.

Of course add fear in the mix and you have a recipe for definite appearance of shyness.

So maybe they are both related.


I am also an introvert and used to be called shy as a child. My take on shyness is just lack of practice in social situations. I worked with children for many years and there never was one that didn't come out of her/his shell once shown the tools, which they did by observing others.

Baile 25-02-2016 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by naturesflow
My question was what if you can be all this right now here in this world as it is right now. That the belief that you can be that another time is just a limitation in the bounds of you versus the infinite view where your defining yourself as a source that cant be this here and now.

I see this more as relating to how we each tend to examine this world and our experiences. Two specific and distinct ways of exploring any question: external and analytical, versus inner and experiential. I equate “here and now” exploration with inner experiential examination:

I stand here speaking with this introverted individual. I feel a space in our social exchange I don’t normally sense when speaking with an extroverted individual. I experience this individual yielding to me, and detect their lack of need and/or ego-desire to assert their self and their opinions into that space.

The experience itself IS the answer. Shyness is everything I inwardly feel, sense and experience when speaking with a shy person. The manner in which shyness touches my soul, IS shyness. There are no external labels I need to come up with in order to make sense of my experience; no reason to "explain" why the individual is shy.

Whereas external, analytical explorations attempt to diagnose, explain and make sense of that which is being examined. The individual’s particular belief parameters – their understanding of this world as it is right now - defines the parameters within which the question is examined. Is shyness a form of fear? Is shyness an incarnation-specific soul experience? Is shyness an indication of Christ love and humility?

Clover 25-02-2016 03:51 PM

A lot of these shy traits are learned behaviors too. My mother was very shy with outsiders and struggled with social anxiety, I believe it was in part of the cultural clash she struggled with. I feel like I picked up some of her introverted behaviors. For example, I have inadvertently came off cold or standoffish to people without realizing It until It was later pointed out to me. Therefore, no I don't think introversion is always attributed to fear. Personally,I would consider myself outgoing however, first impressions may not always appear what they seem.I can't tell you how many times I have heard this statement about me: " I thought you were this, but now that I got to know your really cool". :rolleyes:
I would argue I am ambivert, and more times than none I am just reserved by default. It is most likely however, If I am not interacting with you it's probably because I really just dont want to talk to you...:tongue:

I think first impressions aren't always the best ones.We are all different and we interact differently. I say, take the time to get to know someone, no matter how different they are from you. Open up and give them a chance, you never know how much they will impact or inspire your life.

Miss Hepburn 25-02-2016 06:10 PM

Shyness 101 according to Miss Hepburn, hahaha. I make myself laugh.

Fear is at the root of these social anxieties, yes.
The initial core fear is the fear of abandonment as a baby...can't get much more basic than that.

If we are abandoned we will die.
So, rejection (being judged, disliked, disagreed with, laughed at) =s abandonment, which =s fear....at the core
is our initial primal survival...self-protection.

Shyness is (and this is not a bad thing) is self-centeredness...
too much focus on 'us'/ 'me'.

If we were to enter late to a party, for example, all eyes were on us...
ha, how awful for a shy person...!...
if we turn our focus from ourselves and turn it to the hostess and say, "What a beautiful house! I love it!"
Then, turn to people as you are taking off your coat and smile and say
a big, enthusiastic "Hi!".

Now, where did the shyness go...we are now being kind and giving our love and attention to others. :thumbsup:

I didn't go to therapy 20 years ago and not learn 'something'!!! :wink:

naturesflow 25-02-2016 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by skygazer
I am also an introvert and used to be called shy as a child. My take on shyness is just lack of practice in social situations. I worked with children for many years and there never was one that didn't come out of her/his shell once shown the tools, which they did by observing others.


Yes I agree with you on this. Most often the extreme nature of my own introversion as a child was viewed as shyness but in fact it was that no one who truly understood me as I was being. So their was never any intervention to support me to come out of my shell so to speak. I was always deemed as the *quiet one*. Or the one very shy. In fact I had no reason to come out, in the way others were trying to say I should or had too. It felt all so unreal to me as a child and unsafe to do so. I worked with children for ten years and I noticed in my own support in this way, I would often intercept naturally to support highly sensitive introverted children, in ways I was never shown. I would often notice the extroverted staff rushing at times to bring them out of their shell. Which in my day was a *normal* thing to do. Where as my awareness often brought me to their space as it was to listen deeper to exactly what they required to move more comfortably and more connected. Rather than pushed and moving in ways unnatural to them. So in this way I gave back them what I learned to give to myself in a deeper more thoughtful understanding of how introverts like to take their time and move more slowly in their own inward reflective process.

naturesflow 25-02-2016 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Baile
I see this more as relating to how we each tend to examine this world and our experiences. Two specific and distinct ways of exploring any question: external and analytical, versus inner and experiential. I equate “here and now” exploration with inner experiential examination:

I stand here speaking with this introverted individual. I feel a space in our social exchange I don’t normally sense when speaking with an extroverted individual. I experience this individual yielding to me, and detect their lack of need and/or ego-desire to assert their self and their opinions into that space.

The experience itself IS the answer. Shyness is everything I inwardly feel, sense and experience when speaking with a shy person. The manner in which shyness touches my soul, IS shyness. There are no external labels I need to come up with in order to make sense of my experience; no reason to "explain" why the individual is shy.

Whereas external, analytical explorations attempt to diagnose, explain and make sense of that which is being examined. The individual’s particular belief parameters – their understanding of this world as it is right now - defines the parameters within which the question is examined. Is shyness a form of fear? Is shyness an incarnation-specific soul experience? Is shyness an indication of Christ love and humility?



Whatever Baile. (that was meant to be like whatever Baile. yeah yeah yeah, blah blah blah, I thought I better clarify my meaning of that comment)


Exploring is a wonderful tool to let others share as they see things and openly allow and support whatever flows even as I begin and form a first impression in my OP. It feels like your making it heavier than necessary in an attempt to make it look simple in the way you see all this in your own way of looking into this, but that is about me, don't forget. :)

naturesflow 25-02-2016 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Clover
A lot of these shy traits are learned behaviors too. My mother was very shy with outsiders and struggled with social anxiety, I believe it was in part of the cultural clash she struggled with. I feel like I picked up some of her introverted behaviors. For example, I have inadvertently came off cold or standoffish to people without realizing It until It was later pointed out to me. Therefore, no I don't think introversion is always attributed to fear. Personally,I would consider myself outgoing however, first impressions may not always appear what they seem.I can't tell you how many times I have heard this statement about me: " I thought you were this, but now that I got to know your really cool". :rolleyes:
I would argue I am ambivert, and more times than none I am just reserved by default. It is most likely however, If I am not interacting with you it's probably because I really just dont want to talk to you...:tongue:

I think first impressions aren't always the best ones.We are all different and we interact differently. I say, take the time to get to know someone, no matter how different they are from you. Open up and give them a chance, you never know how much they will impact or inspire your life.



Yes learned behaviours comes into this too, most definitely. Observing how your parents/models interacted and related to the world and other adults. Taking in their view and feelings (especially of your highly sensitive and inward reflecting with no outward source to help you with that taking in,it can lock it in you, over your natural open self) I think you bring up a good point Clover that we underneath can be covered over on the surface of others unknowingly and send out that signal as being that person. But in fact the true essence of our natural self can shine a very different view on the world long after its gone or you are seen more as the person deeper in you.

I naturally look at people deeper and that gets me into trouble..hehe
So sometimes coming back to that surface movements, I can take in a much broader view of someone and move more with them in process rather than just turning away because they are not to my liking or I choose only to relate one way etc etc..

naturesflow 25-02-2016 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn
Shyness 101 according to Miss Hepburn, hahaha. I make myself laugh.

Fear is at the root of these social anxieties, yes.
The initial core fear is the fear of abandonment as a baby...can't get much more basic than that.

If we are abandoned we will die.
So, rejection (being judged, disliked, disagreed with, laughed at) =s abandonment, which =s fear....at the core
is our initial primal survival...self-protection.

Shyness is (and this is not a bad thing) is self-centeredness...
too much focus on 'us'/ 'me'.

If we were to enter late to a party, for example, all eyes were on us...
ha, how awful for a shy person...!...
if we turn our focus from ourselves and turn it to the hostess and say, "What a beautiful house! I love it!"
Then, turn to people as you are taking off your coat and smile and say
a big, enthusiastic "Hi!".

Now, where did the shyness go...we are now being kind and giving our love and attention to others. :thumbsup:

I didn't go to therapy 20 years ago and not learn 'something'!!! :wink:



I can relate to all this. And to the core fears of abandonment and not feeling safe and connected in the world and feelings associated to death. That is a very real issue in all this holding introverts down. Or the reverse, just wishing to die because *you cant get out* of this trap in yourself.

Inward focus as a child can be turned to the extreme if their is no one their to help bring you out of that focus, support you to be more open about feelings and what you see. Rather than internalizing everything and holding it all in, creating no room to express or feel more clearly knowing you alone in all this. This in some ways sets up a pattern whereby your focus is always deep in thought/lost in self and not in balance of being and sharing that focus outwardly. This then sets up a perception as having nothing to give/shy and closed off, so naturally the balance of giving to self (self centred) cannot be balanced in receiving (Self expression/received by the world) Self bringing itself out (inclusive state) to build a more complete picture of yourself others and the world around you in yourself, creating a more balanced way of being inwardly and outwardly reflected. Or as someone mentioned more balanced as an ambiverted nature.

I think the balance works for both introversion and extroversion. You can be too far out in the world not taking time to inward reflect and build the balance as well. So often then you will find people like myself who say are in introverted mode, feeling overwhelmed by extroverts who have no down time in themselves, no balance of inward reflection to counter out their constant projections in outward processing mode. So naturally in my introvert mode I will perceive everything they are relaying inwardly and they just keep bouncing off every wall in themselves without a care in the world. Then most often you will hear introverts saying they feel drained and its all one sided in connection. Which will deter people from interacting unless they are in their own extroverted state to understand and flow more readily..or if they have found their own balance to manage it more so.

If you have ever watched an extrovert in full flight in a room full of introverts who don't have the balance to build flow of inward reflecting and flowing outward sharing, their is a very defining moment of all being centred around *one* person. The extrovert blissfully unaware that their introverted friends might want to talk or might want to share all the while perceiving they are *great listeners*.. All the while being very happy as the centre of attention, carefree and open..lol Then the introverts in fear mode of that very thing, will judge the extrovert as being self absorbed/selfish all the while they are being the same, just in inward reflecting mode..lol how confusing people can get by not accepting themselves..:D



Never judge a book by its cover
Wait till you have read the book complete to make your mind up
to then let your mind go and read it again
All the while knowing you are the book
The judge, the mind, and the one reading it
both times.

Miss Hepburn 25-02-2016 10:47 PM

Ah, yes, accepting the introvert and the extrovert; the fat and the thin,
the rich and the poor.
All actors on a stage...all part of the One expressing and experiencing
itself (as you brought up on your other thread, naturesflow)...

Accepting...a key to happiness and peace!

Somnia 25-02-2016 11:46 PM

Oh yes, in my personal experience my shyness was heavily tied to fear. Fear of being judged when people were looking/staring at me. Not knowing what the other person was thinking about me caused me extreme anxiety. This was mostly from strangers but once I got to know someone I felt more relaxed an open. The not knowing, the unknown, greatly terrified me as a child/young teen.

Now that I'm older I'm not nearly as shy as I was when I was younger. Learning I no longer need to fear what other people think of me. Learning to be who I really am and realizing you're not going to get along with everyone and not everyone will like you. Keep holding love for yourself and show love for others and it will attract love to you. To not worry what other people think about you because the only person who really matters what you think of yourself *is* yourself. :)

I have my soul-friend to thank for being the catalyst in overcoming this fear of mine. We are no longer in touch and haven't been for several years (not since the 9th grade in public school when I briefly lived in Utah for 9 months), but I am very grateful to her for helping me see the way. It's taken a lot of practice and self-growth for me to have the level of confidence in myself I have now. It is an extremely liberating feeling.

Howla Dark 27-02-2016 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by naturesflow
Yes we are part of nature so we do respond in so many ways according to what we know and understand about nature in everyway.




I don't relate introversion to shyness, but fear in the mix certainly can make one shy away from being more open and outgoing.



Well If your feeling embarrassed in this way, isn't that more your worrying about how you look in front of others, which would be more about acceptance to be as you want to be.


Again though this is part of fear and anxiety. Or just a call to avoid something you don't like doing or want to be a part of all the while knowing what affects it has on you.

It seems placing shyness as a trait upon people potentially has so much more going on within it that its hard to say whether it actually exists alone.



That was the most interesting and beautiful ideas about the subject.
Thanks for replying :smile:

Somnia 27-02-2016 11:39 PM

Hey Howla Dark! I really like your avatar. :wink: :D

Howla Dark 29-02-2016 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by somnia
Hey Howla Dark! I really like your avatar. :wink: :D


Thanks :biggrin: I love yours too.


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