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Ewwerrin 23-05-2021 04:20 PM

How to think happy if you are sad?
 
if you get what you what think about, and you cannot think happy thoughts if you are sad, then how can you think happy thoughts to manifest happiness aka unconditional alignment?

EDIT: quote abraham: This is a vibrational universe, and you are vibration and you create your own reality, and Law of Attraction manages it all, and you get what you think about.
I like that, but if you are vibrating sadness, then you cannot manifest a thought of happiness. And so you cannot think what you want. And so you cannot create your own reality. Huh? That contradicts the first statement. I don't understand how this is possible. Can anyone help explain?

Miss Hepburn 23-05-2021 06:02 PM

Contrary to popular belief - I was once a depressed person :tongue:..for well over a year anyway.
Then, a therapist friend said, ''Ok. Enough, now you have to learn Thought Control.''
Huh? It was such a foreign idea...I thought ya just, ''go with whatever you're feeling".
What a bunch of baloney THAT its! :eek:
If you just go with some 'mood' - it can take you into a pit.

So for a week I did what she said, When I have a thought that is depressing, (because of a breakup)..Stop and change the channel...just think of something else.

After a week it worked - the earth didn't stop turning because I didn't think sad thought thoughts.

Hmmm....so I did it for another week.
And never stopped. That was around 2007. That was before LOA and Abraham-Hicks.

Your emotions are in your control ---like the rudder on a boat...you steer your thoughts, they steer your ups and downs.

BUT, my opinion? As long as you savor your suffering, your troubles, your anger or jealousies or regrets (aka suffering)---wallowing in them out of control,
you will never make the change or the effort to stop once and for all.
PERIOD.
That's my input.
And I have said it many times over the years here. Hope it helps someone who is ready to stop the sadness.

Maybe one more week for someone reading this of sadness, depression, self-loathing and a person will have had enough!!!:hug3:
That's all it takes.
Having enough of that nonsense! :wink:

Ewwerrin 23-05-2021 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn
Contrary to popular belief - I was once a depressed person :tongue:..for well over a year anyway.
Then, a therapist friend said, ''Ok. Enough, now you have to learn Thought Control.''
Huh? It was such a foreign idea...I thought ya just, ''go with whatever your're feeling".
What a bunch of baloney THAT its! :eek:
If you just go with some 'mood' - it can take you into a pit.

So for a week I did what she said, When I have a thought that is depressing, (because of a breakup)..Stop and change the channel...just think of something else.

After a week it worked - the earth didn't stop turning because I didn't think sad thought thoughts.

Hmmm....so I did it for another week.
And never stopped. That was around 2007. That was before LOA and Abraham-Hicks.

Your emotions are in your control ---like the rudder on a boat...you steer your thoughts, they steer your ups and downs.

BUT, my opinion? As long as you savor your suffering, your troubles, your anger or jealousies or regrets (aka suffering)---wallowing in them out of control,
you will never make the change or the effort to stop once and for all.
PERIOD.
That's my input.
And I have said it many times over the years here. Hope it helps someone who is ready to stop the sadness.

Maybe one more week for someone reading this of sadness, depression, self-loathing and a person will have had enough!!!:hug3:
That's all it takes.
Having enough of that nonsense! :wink:

I do have enough of that nonsense, and have had enough of it for a long time. And I meditated 10 years to cope. But it still keeps coming. And when I feel a little bit of positive emotion, boom everything explodes and I'm back at -10. I have resistance to feeling good appearantly. I focused deliberately and hard on feeling good, consistently pure focus relentless focus and I felt waaaay worse than when I meditate. and feel nothing. For days... There was a very fractured glimpse of a bulge of positive emotion, like burp that was stuck in my chest and just vanished internally like a snail in its shell. And that positive emotion caused like allot of resistance to come to the surface and boom negative emotion, back to meditating and not feeling anything again.

Currently I can only reach boredom, cause i do this for 10 years now. made some progress towards boredom in all of that time, but still, one ounce of contentment and boom my entire reality explodes. I have to force it really sooooo hard to even get any positive emotion at all. I don't think determination is really gonna work here. Yet that is not what Abraham says. Abraham says that going from boredom to contentment is the EASIEST thing. It takes me days to focus, and my focus is very difficult, but with extreme effort it back fires. And with not enough effort, it takes days to focus on letting go and really finding tiny bits of relief from neutrality tipping point to contentment. And then the contentment lasts very short or it is very vague like half content. Very meager contentment.

Ewwerrin 23-05-2021 06:34 PM

So, how do I know what I am suppose to think about? Because every thought I can think, will just come from the vibration of not happy, so there is no way to think happy and thus get happy?

Or would you suggest changing the channel so often untill I become confused. Or diffuse my focus so much that I don't feel any emotion, which I can also do. But then from the tipping point of neutrality. The moment I activate a thought, any thought, it becomes negative or boring.

Like I'm standing on the tipping of the scale and I lean forward and the scale falls backwards. So I'm standing on the tip for hours on end, perfect neutrality, emotional wise. Yet like I can't even succeed in that tiny little nudge forward. It backfires all of the time even in the slightest of leaning towards the positive.

And if this keeps up im gonna start becoming afraid of positive emotion or positive energy. And I know that makes no sense. And I'm honestly not doing this on purpose. I know IT IS SUPPOSE TO FEEL GOOD TO FEEL GOOD. So there must be something that I am missing here.

Miss Hepburn 23-05-2021 06:36 PM

You ''focused hard on feeling good...''

Maybe too hard...this is what I mean.
Say, your baby has crawled to the edge of the bed.
Do you pick it up and roughly put it back at the center?
No.
You gently place it back.
If the needle gets stuck on a record do you roughly slam it back into the groove?
No.

Just when you feel something you would rather not...gently place your focus on something
that feels a little better.
Do not expect to go from sad to blissfully happy in 4 seconds or 4 min!
As Abraham says ..reach for the better feeling feeling --that's all;
it could be as simple as, ''Oh, I forgot I have that new book to relax with'' Goody..
That's better than the sad thoughts you were having .
It's a practice...
Until you can recognize what the mind is doing to you and you keep nipping it in the bud...it gets tired bothering you
after awhile and you can feel good most of the time now!

Ewwerrin 23-05-2021 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn
You ''focused hard on feeling good...''
Maybe too hard...this is what I mean.
Say, your baby has crawled to the edge of the bed.
Do you pick it up and roughly put it back at the center?
No. ....

What is that something that feels better tho? The highest vibration I know I can comfortably reach, is boredom. But it's still not comfortable enough ofcourse. So I try to stay neutral and reach for that. Contentment and acceptance. Letting go and letting god, like wayne dyer always says.
I keep letting go and letting god. And that's the best I can do. But that is so easy that it always gets back to boredom.

Where I am just staring at a wall or dozing off into semi-consciousness. and I say to myself. How can I be happy about this wall? Content. Well, it's a nice sturdy wall, flat... And those words don't move my emotion at all. It's a sturdy wall, it really is, a nice flat smackable wall, but I don't seem to care. And then I say, ok it's alright that I don't care about the wall. I don't have to care about the wall. I am free from the obligation to care about the wall. So I look at my keyboard, and there are many letters on it, overwhelment. No... Back to the wall. The wall is simpler. Easier. But still boring. Impossible to reach contentment.

I think I'm doing something wrong. Otherwise I'm just gonna go back to bed and sleep for another 10 more years or so.

Ewwerrin 23-05-2021 07:14 PM

Boredom: I have given up on everything. I'm letting go of all of it.
17... 16... 15... 14... 13... 12... 11... 10... 9... 8... 7... 6... 5... 4... 3... 2... 1... 0...
I succesfully counted to 0. I'm gonna draw a painting now.

Miss Hepburn 23-05-2021 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ewwerrin
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Where I am just staring at a wall or dozing off into semi-consciousness. and I say to myself. How can I be happy about this wall? Content. Well, it's a nice sturdy wall, flat... And those words don't move my emotion at all. It's a sturdy wall, it really is, a nice flat smackable wall, but I don't seem to care..

From boredom go to gratitude. Stay and feel gratitude and humility for awhile.
Ever been without a freaking wall? A ceiling - no bed, no covers...no food, cold, running from the enemy?
Boredom is a step above many.
Go to gratitude.

Do you have your health and can you walk - go outdoors and help someone.
Your mind /ego has trapped you in a cycle ...you have to break free of it.
Or not. You could stay online helping no one and complaining.
How's that been workin' out forya?

Ewwerrin 24-05-2021 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn
From boredom go to gratitude. Stay and feel gratitude and humility for awhile.
Ever been without a freaking wall? A ceiling - no bed, no covers...no food, cold, running from the enemy?
Boredom is a step above many.
Go to gratitude.

Do you have your health and can you walk - go outdoors and help someone.
Your mind /ego has trapped you in a cycle ...you have to break free of it.
Or not. You could stay online helping no one and complaining.
How's that been workin' out forya?

So I gotta channel the supply of godly sacrifice of other people who don't have acces to a comfort in order to be able to appreciate my comfort? It kinda makes me sad for them. And sad that they even exist at all. And that no one cares about them, or even has the capacity to care about them. This sacrificial approach you are suggesting feels way worse.

Can't go outdoors.
Creation and all of this universe is infinite ever expanding fractaline cycles within cycles within cycles. That's not my mind that's doing that to me, neither my mind which is spinning the world in cyclical orbit around the sun, and around its axis to create the day and night cycle, that we are all eternally trapped in the fractaline cyclical nature of creation, as the substance out which every partical in the universe is made. Including us.
And the vibrational cycle is what everything that exists is made out of.
That is not my mind doing that, and I'm not complaining about it, just stating the facts.

I thought you enjoyed abraham hicks teachings. Thought maybe you know something about their teachings. And could explain it to me. But you are free to say that you don't know anything about what Abraham Hicks teachings. I woulden't complain if you cannot clarify this for me. But you sound angry for some reason. Like you've got allot of resistance towards some idea you are observing and wish it to end in some kind of way. Maybe you are angry at yourself, because every anger is kinda somewhat about the relationship between self and Self anyway.

flow.alignment 27-05-2021 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Ewwerrin
if you get what you what think about, and you cannot think happy thoughts if you are sad, then how can you think happy thoughts to manifest happiness aka unconditional alignment?

EDIT: quote abraham: This is a vibrational universe, and you are vibration and you create your own reality, and Law of Attraction manages it all, and you get what you think about.
I like that, but if you are vibrating sadness, then you cannot manifest a thought of happiness. And so you cannot think what you want. And so you cannot create your own reality. Huh? That contradicts the first statement. I don't understand how this is possible. Can anyone help explain?

Thoughts can be both attracted through your vibration (how you feel) and created through your focus and intent.

Thoughts created through your focus is easy enough to understand - that's like mentally repeating an affirmation, for example. Thoughts that are attracted through your vibration are those that spontaneously enter your mind.

You're right, in that if you're feeling sad then you won't attract happy thoughts and if you intentionally think a happy thought it is not going to feel real/true to you. Those kinds of thoughts will do very little for improving how you feel. They are like empty shells.

This is because you can only feel a little bit better or worse than how you currently feel. This is your "vibrational range."

If you're feeling sad, then happiness is too much of a leap - it's like trying to go from the first step of some stairs to half way up in one step. It's too big of a vibrational difference.

If you try to think happy thoughts when you're sad, you won't feel them as being true.

If you're sad, you need to reach for a thought that feels a bit better than sadness that also feels true. This feeling you're reaching for might still be negative, but it will feel better and move you closer to happiness.

Abe gives a list of emotions in the book, Ask and It Is Given that they call the Emotional Guidance Scale.
They recommend reaching for a thought that is 1 or 2 steps higher on the scale than where you currently are.

This is the idea behind reaching for a feeling of contentment when you're feeling bored.

This doesn't mean that any thought that reflects contentment on the surface will feel real/true to you or will move you in a better feeling direction. Everyone has different preferences, so will feel content about different things. You need to reach for a thought of contentment that feels real/true to you - a thought that is also resonant.

Your example of thinking of the positive aspects of a wall is really closer to reaching for a feeling of appreciation for an object (that you care little about) than contentment. Appreciation is much higher on the emotional scale than contentment, so in that example, you're aiming too high if you're feeling bored.

But let's say you were reaching for a feeling of contentment about having 4 walls around you. This might be a poor choice for you if it's something you don't care about it.

On the other hand, someone else who had an experience of being stuck out in the wilderness for several cold and windy nights without a fire or tent might be able to reach a feeling of contentment very easily just for having 4 walls around them and a roof over their heads.

It's a process of trial and error - you need to keep reaching for a thought that feels better. Don't judge a thought by how positive it appears on the surface - judge it by how it makes you feel.

Once you do find a thought that you feel some genuine contentment with, that's like getting your foot in the door because your vibration is still mostly boredom but shifted slightly upward. The next step is to build on that (expand on the thought that got you there) and keep at it until your vibration is dominantly contentment.

Once you are in contentment, you can repeat the process again, reaching for hopefulness or maybe optimism.

Besides how you feel, you can also tell what your vibration is by paying close attention to the thoughts that spontaneously enter your mind. Those are thoughts that you've attracted through your vibration. If most of your thoughts reflect contentment, then you've made it.

Personally, I find it very challenging to improve how I feel by consciously directing my thoughts.

The good news is, there are many ways you can improve the way you feel without directing your thoughts.

Once you raise your vibration, then the lower vibrational thoughts that previously felt normal, will no longer spontaneously enter your mind and better feeling thoughts will feel real to you.

For example, once when I was in a pretty bad state, I was overwhelmed by thoughts of worry and couldn't imagine things getting better in my life. I sat down to clear the emotions in meditation and 25 minutes later, it was like night and day. I couldn't believe the difference - I could barely even remember what I was so worried about and it felt ridiculous that just 30 mins earlier I felt my situation was hopeless.

From this state, thoughts of worry no longer entered my mind (I was no longer attracting them) and when I did try to recall them, they were difficult remember or focus on.

Another nice thing is that you don't even need to consciously think or focus positively to reach a better feeling place. This is because your natural state is one of joy and love - the very top of the emotional scale.

The reason anyone feels anything less than that is because they have a habits of thought or focus that hold their vibration in a lower/worse feeling place. If were to stop focusing on the things that bug them for long enough, they will effortlessly start feeling better.

Abe has described it as a cork bobbing on the surface of the water - the floating cork is your natural state joy. When you focus on things that lower your vibration it's like holding the cork underwater. If you stop focusing on those things, it's like letting go of the cork and having it float back to the surface.

This post I made talks about this and gives a process you can try.

If you're feeling stress or anger, you can hit something to send the angry/stressful energy out of your body to clear the feeling.

You can listen to music that is a bit better feeling that what currently resonates most, and work your way upwards from there.

There are also energy-based techniques (like working with energy centers, your higher self/soul, light, etc.).

iamthat 27-05-2021 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ewwerrin
So, how do I know what I am suppose to think about? Because every thought I can think, will just come from the vibration of not happy, so there is no way to think happy and thus get happy?

Or would you suggest changing the channel so often untill I become confused. Or diffuse my focus so much that I don't feel any emotion, which I can also do. But then from the tipping point of neutrality. The moment I activate a thought, any thought, it becomes negative or boring.

And if this keeps up im gonna start becoming afraid of positive emotion or positive energy. And I know that makes no sense. And I'm honestly not doing this on purpose. I know IT IS SUPPOSE TO FEEL GOOD TO FEEL GOOD. So there must be something that I am missing here.


You may find it helpful to read The Sedona Method by Hale Dwoskin.

Letting go of what you are wanting to change in the NOW is the key to achieving serenity when you've been finding it difficult to let go of specific feelings or beliefs, or when you have any indecision about releasing. ... If you are stuck, let go of wanting to change the stuckness.

Much good advice in this book, and very practical.

Peace

Ewwerrin 30-05-2021 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by flow.alignment
Thoughts can be both...

...

...light, etc.).

Omg thanks so much for the clarifying response. I really appreciate it.

TLDR: I used to experience most joys followed by despairs and most despairs followed by joys, which violate this "vibrational range" that most abers agree upon, exists. And the desire to align with steady eternal improvement, has me manifesting instant inevitable duality experiences. No person has ever asked this to abraham and I have been asking about this forever, and searching for hotseaters who asked it, even in the days the archive was there, and bought so many transcripts and workshops, and can't find anything regarding this.

Have been trying to figure this out for a long time. Finally found someone who provides clarity for me.

So, everything you say, I can confirm with my own personal experience. However, I am stuck at the center point, between boredom and contentment, being the tipping of the scale, and a state of wonder. And as I move into the positive direction, every positive vibrational improvement expands also the negative corrolating "unwanted" end of that stick.

Contentment that I have a roof over my head and a home, instantly activates resistance of worry that not having a home brings. And this happens with everything, every subject, every thought, purposefully thought or not. Every awareness. Every vibration and energy. It feels like an infinite meaningless duality, from which there is no escape, except by moving ignorantly towards the positive/negative, denying that the opposite end will always inevitably manifest by doing that, sacrificial approach. Allowing joy to manifest despair. Or allowing despair to manifest joy. Like a pendulum. Move it one way and it WILL go the other way. Unless I don't want that duality, then no matter what movement I make, the opposite also instantly is allowed by me to reveal itself. Which causes me to stay stuck in neutrality indefinitely.

Hope someone can help me understand this. I'm afraid that I'm the only person who knows this or is experiencing this or has even reached this experience at all.



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Originally Posted by iamthat
You may find it helpful to read The Sedona Method by Hale Dwoskin.

Letting go of what you are wanting to change in the NOW is the key to achieving serenity when you've been finding it difficult to let go of specific feelings or beliefs, or when you have any indecision about releasing. ... If you are stuck, let go of wanting to change the stuckness.

Much good advice in this book, and very practical.

Peace

Yes, thanks. Here again, this duality keeps returning. I can only let go of being stuck, if I want to reach joy while surrendering to the despair that will eventually come out of that. But as long as my desire to surpass this duality remains, it is impossible for me to let of being stuck in neutrality, between boredom and contentment. Or a state of "wonder." Because my soul has "BECOME" the desire to surpass this duality and this I become conscious or aware of both ends of the stick on every single vibration that is activated or experienced within my awareness. Including the duality regarding letting go and being stuck.

I hope someone can help me leave this duality behind, as I have been here for more than 10 years. No person has ever asked this to abraham and I have been asking about this forever, and searching for hotseaters who asked it, even in the days the archive was there, and bought so many transcripts and workshops, and can't find anything regarding this issue.

One person was told by abraham, regarding this issue "you want to embrace everything about this life experience." And that was their answer to all duality questions. That we have to embrace it. That it is normal, if you wanna enjoy life, you should also suffer it, and if you wanna suffer life you should also enjoy it. That the energy balance is unavoidable by law. But our experience of it always changes. And we get to decide how we wanna "dance" in all of that. Experience the illusion in infinite different ways. I want to escape it, and yes, that means accepting where I am. But it keeps me in neutrality. And after 10 years this still hasn't changed. They also say that nothing is more worthwhile talking about, but no one has ever asked them about it.

Guillaume 30-05-2021 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ewwerrin
if you get what you what think about, and you cannot think happy thoughts if you are sad, then how can you think happy thoughts to manifest happiness aka unconditional alignment?

It's a vicious or virtuous circle. So you have first to work you way out by exercising, breathing, meditating, eating good food etc.

When I'm sad, I go for a walk.

flow.alignment 30-05-2021 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ewwerrin
Omg thanks so much for the clarifying response. I really appreciate it.

Glad it was helpful!

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TLDR: I used to experience most joys followed by despairs and most despairs followed by joys, which violate this "vibrational range" that most abers agree upon, exists.
The way Abe explains this is:
How you feel has 2 components to it - desire and resistance to that desire.

When your desire is really high and your resistance is also really high, that results in a strong negative emotion, like despair.

When your desire is really high and you have no resistance, it results in a powerful positive emotion, like joy.

From that understanding, you can get a sense of how the emotions in the middle can result.

Little or no desire and little resistance can land you around the center of the Emotional Guidance Scale - somewhere around boredom and contentment.

This explains how it's vibrationally possible to swing from one extreme to another, from despair to joy and vice-versa. If you're feeling despair and you're able to release all of your resistance, you'll swing to joy. Or if you're feeling joy and quickly build up a lot of resistance, you'll swing to despair/depression/etc.

Abe calls these quantum leaps (they mention it at the start of this clip). They aren't very common, but are possible.

You've talked about frequently alternating between extremes in the past. If you're used to a feeling, it's much easier to return to it. So if you were very familiar with both, that might explain how you were able to jump from one extreme to the other.

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And the desire to align with steady eternal improvement, has me manifesting instant inevitable duality experiences. No person has ever asked this to abraham and I have been asking about this forever, and searching for hotseaters who asked it, even in the days the archive was there, and bought so many transcripts and workshops, and can't find anything regarding this.

Have been trying to figure this out for a long time. Finally found someone who provides clarity for me.

So, everything you say, I can confirm with my own personal experience. However, I am stuck at the center point, between boredom and contentment, being the tipping of the scale, and a state of wonder. And as I move into the positive direction, every positive vibrational improvement expands also the negative corrolating "unwanted" end of that stick.

Contentment that I have a roof over my head and a home, instantly activates resistance of worry that not having a home brings.
You've talked about duality as if the wanted and unwanted are inextricably linked. As if you can't help manifesting the negative along with a positive.

Let's break this down and try to figure out what's happening here.

When you're around the middle of the emotional guidance scale (boredom or contentment) in terms of feeling (rather than number, where the middle would be feeling overwhelmed or disappointed) that implies you have very little desire about things flowing.

If you had stronger desire, you might be living in a state of worry (with resistance) or positive expectation (what seems to be an equivalent amount of desire without resistance).

You've mentioned "end of that stick" so you know about what Abe calls "vibrational sticks" - every subject is really 2 subjects, what's wanted on one end of the stick and unwanted on the opposite end. I think this is and what Abe calls "contrast" are the closest things to duality in their framework.

With every subject you have a vibrational habit (in mental terms, a belief ) - you have a place on that stick that is where your vibrational set point is.

You are only attracting in the moment based on how you feel in the moment.

You might have a negative belief about something, but if you aren't thinking about it or vibrating in alignment with it, then it isn't a creative/attracting influence in your life. This is why it's possible to attract things you don't specially believe you can have. If you hold yourself in a good feeling state while avoiding thinking of the topic you have a negative belief about for long enough, you can attract the thing you want. In the time you're in a good feeling state and are not thinking of the belief, that belief is dormant.

As an example, let's say someone is single, we're looking at the vibrational stick about the presence of a partner, and their set-point on that stick is a feeling of discouragement about it. Discouragement reflects a fair amount of both desire and resistance.

When they think of the subject of having a partner in their lives, they pick up that stick and feel the emotion relating to where their set point is - they feel discouraged.

This is uncomfortable, so what many people do is they release the desire to reduce the intensity of the emotion.

If they watch a movie that reignites the desire - they start thinking of how nice it would be to meet someone, then they'll feel a flareup of negative emotion because they've increased their desire but still have a fair amount of resistance (could be a belief that they don't deserve love or that someone with their interests is difficult to find, etc.) about the topic.

So they think of finding a partner again, feel the pain of it from the increased desire, and then respond by releasing the desire again which alleviates the discomfort of not having what they want.

It's like you have control over a dam that lets water into a channel that has boulders in it. If you open the floodgates and water pours through, the boulders create a lot of resistance. If you reduce flow of water down to a gentle stream, the boulders don't cause much turbulence but they're still present.

This is one possible explanation for what you're experiencing:

Your feeling of boredom could be the result of releasing your desires on many subjects that you still have some resistance around. This resistance is not experienced strongly because you don't have much desire regarding them.

When you think of a topic (pick up the stick) and reach for a good feeling thought, you feel the dissonance of where you're focusing and where your set point is on the topic (Edit: And as you vibrate at that set point, you might also attract a thought in vibrational alignment with it - the result being, you think of a positive thought and a negative one comes up right after). Or if you increase your desire on the topic, you start feeling worse.

A solution would be to change your beliefs or habits of thought/focus (remove the boulders) and then get excited about the topic again (open the floodgates).

If you've really released all resistance regarding a topic (no longer have any negative beliefs or habits of focus about it) and you let your desire for it soar then your dominant feeling about it would be joyful expectation - you would not swing in the opposite direction.

If you're feeling joyful expectation thoughts about the possibility of it not happening would not enter your mind.

Alternately, you could work on raising your vibration while keeping your mind off of topics that feel negative. Sometimes there are topics that are so big, that they're very difficult to ignore. If you aren't able to keep from thinking about it, then you'll need to work on changing your beliefs/vibration about it.

Does this help or is there anything I've misunderstood about what you're experiencing?

Miss Hepburn 30-05-2021 06:02 PM

I'm really glad you came here, flow.alignment. :)

flow.alignment 30-05-2021 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn
I'm really glad you came here, flow.alignment. :)

Aww, thanks! :biggrin:

Ewwerrin 04-06-2021 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by flow.alignment
Glad it was helpful!


The way Abe explains this is:
How you feel has 2 components to it - desire and resistance to that desire.

When your desire is really high and your resistance is also really high, that results in a strong negative emotion, like despair.

When your desire is really high and you have no resistance, it results in a powerful positive emotion, like joy.

From that understanding, you can get a sense of how the emotions in the middle can result.

Little or no desire and little resistance can land you around the center of the Emotional Guidance Scale - somewhere around boredom and contentment.

This explains how it's vibrationally possible to swing from one extreme to another, from despair to joy and vice-versa. If you're feeling despair and you're able to release all of your resistance, you'll swing to joy. Or if you're feeling joy and quickly build up a lot of resistance, you'll swing to despair/depression/etc.

Abe calls these quantum leaps (they mention it at the start of this clip). They aren't very common, but are possible.

You've talked about frequently alternating between extremes in the past. If you're used to a feeling, it's much easier to return to it. So if you were very familiar with both, that might explain how you were able to jump from one extreme to the other.


You've talked about duality as if the wanted and unwanted are inextricably linked. As if you can't help manifesting the negative along with a positive.

Let's break this down and try to figure out what's happening here.

When you're around the middle of the emotional guidance scale (boredom or contentment) in terms of feeling (rather than number, where the middle would be feeling overwhelmed or disappointed) that implies you have very little desire about things flowing.

If you had stronger desire, you might be living in a state of worry (with resistance) or positive expectation (what seems to be an equivalent amount of desire without resistance).

You've mentioned "end of that stick" so you know about what Abe calls "vibrational sticks" - every subject is really 2 subjects, what's wanted on one end of the stick and unwanted on the opposite end. I think this is and what Abe calls "contrast" are the closest things to duality in their framework.

With every subject you have a vibrational habit (in mental terms, a belief ) - you have a place on that stick that is where your vibrational set point is.

You are only attracting in the moment based on how you feel in the moment.

You might have a negative belief about something, but if you aren't thinking about it or vibrating in alignment with it, then it isn't a creative/attracting influence in your life. This is why it's possible to attract things you don't specially believe you can have. If you hold yourself in a good feeling state while avoiding thinking of the topic you have a negative belief about for long enough, you can attract the thing you want. In the time you're in a good feeling state and are not thinking of the belief, that belief is dormant.

As an example, let's say someone is single, we're looking at the vibrational stick about the presence of a partner, and their set-point on that stick is a feeling of discouragement about it. Discouragement reflects a fair amount of both desire and resistance.

When they think of the subject of having a partner in their lives, they pick up that stick and feel the emotion relating to where their set point is - they feel discouraged.

This is uncomfortable, so what many people do is they release the desire to reduce the intensity of the emotion.

If they watch a movie that reignites the desire - they start thinking of how nice it would be to meet someone, then they'll feel a flareup of negative emotion because they've increased their desire but still have a fair amount of resistance (could be a belief that they don't deserve love or that someone with their interests is difficult to find, etc.) about the topic.

So they think of finding a partner again, feel the pain of it from the increased desire, and then respond by releasing the desire again which alleviates the discomfort of not having what they want.

It's like you have control over a dam that lets water into a channel that has boulders in it. If you open the floodgates and water pours through, the boulders create a lot of resistance. If you reduce flow of water down to a gentle stream, the boulders don't cause much turbulence but they're still present.

This is one possible explanation for what you're experiencing:

Your feeling of boredom could be the result of releasing your desires on many subjects that you still have some resistance around. This resistance is not experienced strongly because you don't have much desire regarding them.

When you think of a topic (pick up the stick) and reach for a good feeling thought, you feel the dissonance of where you're focusing and where your set point is on the topic (Edit: And as you vibrate at that set point, you might also attract a thought in vibrational alignment with it - the result being, you think of a positive thought and a negative one comes up right after). Or if you increase your desire on the topic, you start feeling worse.

A solution would be to change your beliefs or habits of thought/focus (remove the boulders) and then get excited about the topic again (open the floodgates).

If you've really released all resistance regarding a topic (no longer have any negative beliefs or habits of focus about it) and you let your desire for it soar then your dominant feeling about it would be joyful expectation - you would not swing in the opposite direction.

If you're feeling joyful expectation thoughts about the possibility of it not happening would not enter your mind.

Alternately, you could work on raising your vibration while keeping your mind off of topics that feel negative. Sometimes there are topics that are so big, that they're very difficult to ignore. If you aren't able to keep from thinking about it, then you'll need to work on changing your beliefs/vibration about it.

Does this help or is there anything I've misunderstood about what you're experiencing?

I really appreciate this, and thanks again. And I agree with all of it.

But as abraham says, just reach for unconditional joy. And that is what I am doing. So I desire to feel unconditional joy. But it's not here. So I imagine it, and I go focus on God Source Energy flowing freely through me, and imagine it, for days, relentlessly. And meditate, to allow and allow and allow. But it doesn't change anything. I will always feel neutral. In between contentment and boredom. So NO EMOTION. And Sure there are fluctuations, where I feel like a gentle breeze of positive emotion, from time to time, that lasts less than a second, like energetic movements, and equally I feel negative emotions, move through me, very gently and fluctuatingly. But the set point is neutrality. No emotion. No matter how much I focus on good feelings. The feelings always turn into a fading sensation of positive emotion, or a positive emotion that I allow to expand, only to reveal in that expansion that it has equal amount of negative emotions within the very positive emotion.

So let's say that there is resistance. "God Source Energy, is temporary and omni half present." That is my experience, but I don't believe that that is my believe. My believe is that God Source Energy is fully omni present. So I focus on the bliss and joy of it. And again, at best I manifest a cool breeze pleasant positive emotion. That is very fluctuating and temporary. It's like there are billions of positive sensations a second and also billions of negative sensations. They may not happen simultaneously, but they co-exist. No matter how much I focus on the positive. And I can go focusing for days. It doesn't change anything. I will just believe relentlessly that everything is good and positive. And I am feeling good. But it doesn't change the actual emotional indicator. That is just indicating all the vibrations that are constantly moving through me, as me, and it feels like infinite vibrational fluctuational feelings and emotions that are very condensed and together and fast moving and fast changing. Like, new emotions, every single time, but they all feel in general overall, neutral. They fluctuate around neutrality.

So yes. I feel good sometimes, for no reason. But it lasts literally less than a second. And I always try to snapshot it, and emphasise it, and really focus on it. But it doesn't expand. It will just remain a snapshot in my awareness. And I focus intensely and concentratedly on it, untill it becomes my whole experience, and then when I come out of that focus. Nothing has changed. Overall, even the pleasant sensations, when expanded upon, in my physical manifestational experience, still have absolutely EQUAL positive and negative emotional movements and experiences and sensations in them.

Ewwerrin 04-06-2021 06:47 PM

So again, abraham says: This is about alignment. Momentum. Laws of the universe.

So I need to find alignment in thought, with the positive vibration that is in alignment with Source, which has all that momentum. I need to be aware of something positive. And expand upon it. I understand that and that is what I am always intending to do.

But how can I become aware of something positive, if I cannot even find it?!
They don't tell us how to find it. They say when you wake up early in the morning and meditate before and maybe even after waking up. And reach for that positive vibration and awareness and thought. But I Cannot find it anywhere. No matter how many times I Do this. I am not talking about conditions. I am going waaaay into my unconditional inner reality. I cannot even find it there. Every single thing I imagine feels like nothing. Every sensation I have, when I Wake up, without thought, feels like pure neutral. No emotion.

Flora 21-06-2021 01:09 PM

When I realize there are bad thoughts I start to pray. I'm not a religious person or something, but there is a prayer I like and it somehow calms me down.

You can only think one single thought at a time, that's important to keep in mind.

Flora 21-06-2021 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ewwerrin
Every single thing I imagine feels like nothing. Every sensation I have, when I Wake up, without thought, feels like pure neutral. No emotion.

Did you ever talk to a doctor about this?
You know, maybe thats a condition that is part of your neurlogical system.

When tehe is realy nothing that makes you (just a little) happy in any way, please go see a doctor.

ScientificExplorer 21-06-2021 07:47 PM

Realize that nobody is going to help you getting out, unless you DECIDE to do it by yourself.

If you feel like ****, CHANGE YOUR BELIEFS/PERCEPTION of reality until you feel completely awesome.

Ewwerrin 21-06-2021 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Flora
Did you ever talk to a doctor about this?
You know, maybe thats a condition that is part of your neurlogical system.

When tehe is realy nothing that makes you (just a little) happy in any way, please go see a doctor.

You're right, it is more a physical condition, of feeling tired. No doctor necessery, as it's luckily not permanent, but temporary. And I'm finding ways to improve.
I've also found that making peace with the lack of emotion, that limbo state of wonder... Or the neutral zone, or tipping of the scales, once I make peace with that, it lasts less long. I go through it quicker. And the more I completely let go and allow, and have no expectation and be at complete PEACE with the reality or experience, or just being, and complete acceptance. Then I am able to pass through this limbo. Trusting that it is the way, trusting that I know the way. Which in this case, I am lucky that I do.

There is a resistance towards it, that backfires, and keeps me there longer in the end, untill I find a way to let go and accept it, then I stay there and be there and allow it to be what it is, and it just passes more easily. Also accepting that if it takes longer, that all of it is for a good reason and purpose and it is all for my most benefit. That even enjoying and relaxing into the length of the duration of the limbo. That helps me to really reset and transition into the new energies, that is due to further integration of the old. In that limbo.

I guess it is about trusting, that even no emotion, is still an emotion. And no emotion is better than negative emotion. And if allowed, no emotion, can become positive emotion. It is very subtle, and almost invisible, but letting everything be what it is, and allowing everything, really helps settle dust, and bring the clarity of new light. New energy, new inspiration and new reality.

I'm seeing positive improvement, it does take some time to really learn how this process works of shifting through the energy states. One thing I learned allot, from this experience, is really that it is all about perspective. I am not so much changing the energy, but perceiving one that already exists, that already is slightly improved.

I guess the resistance is about accepting that the old one will still always exist. And that it really at the same time, can never be experienced in the exact same way, anyway, so might as well move on. That is what makes it difficult to accept, yet easier also. And learning to really balance all of it, to find new footing to move forward into a new reality.

Crossing the treshhold, really requires allot of balancing of so many different aspects, into a sort of zero point of neutrality, and really integrate everything so completely, so as to completely, introduce a complete new reality, a complete new perspective, a complete new dimension, a new perspective that travels into a new reality. Causing the past and future, to coincide into the new realisation of the new reality, here and now. It is not about constantly waking up to a new dream. But more about becoming lucid in the dream one is in. And requires great acceptance. To the multi dimensional nature of existence.

Ewwerrin 21-06-2021 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ScientificExplorer
Realize that nobody is going to help you getting out, unless you DECIDE to do it by yourself.

If you feel like ****, CHANGE YOUR BELIEFS/PERCEPTION of reality until you feel completely awesome.

Yeah this is so true. I had to really accept that it's all meaningless. And really integrate that. To really collapse my perspective. And let it become reborn. From the neutral state. And trust that it is really a natural process. And that there will be a good reality on the other end of that limbo.

It really helps to draw to me all the things that I really care about. All the people. All the beings. And all the energies that I love. And just let go and die and let everything be what it is and release all trying. To fall asleep into the awakening. To really fall deeply asleep into the awakening.

In the end it doesn't matter how I do it. Because trying things was the issue. I know the beneficial energies, but I really had to find the total embracing of that point where I know nothing anymore. And trust that my being has developed sufficient callibration, that I can let go and let the integration happen on deeper levels of my being, greater levels. And And trust that the limbo is sometimes the quickest path towards the greatest most accelerated of joys.

I am where I am... It is what it is. And simply letting go of everything that no longer is necessery or relevant. Like trying things or expecting things. But just being and doing what I want to do, and let everything be taken care of by everything.

Ewwerrin 21-06-2021 11:57 PM

Sometimes I know not the path, so that I can learn to accept where I am. And I remember, that my greatest desire is to really accept everything that exists.

And as I realise that I can never experience the past in the exact same way, ever again, then death no longer is an issue. And I no longer take note of all the forgetting, and allow myself to be more forgiving.

WantToBeHappy 21-07-2021 03:31 AM

Same question here. I will be following this thread.

fijupanda 25-07-2021 06:34 PM

I think it is fine to have sad thoughts and be sad at times. I do not think ssadness has more power than lets say happiness. But I do think it is important to know the root of our sadness and sorrow and face it as much as we can so we can let in more happiness into our lives.

Too much sadness can harm us spiritually and physically so it is important to seek out professional help out or therapy when we can't handle it alone or even with friends and family any longer.

fijupanda 25-07-2021 06:36 PM

I do not think that thought creates our reality. it is thought plus emotion sustained over time that creates our reality when it is unified and intense enough.


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