These Mark Charles talks truly are like healing balm to the pain of the thorn, that is always there in the background and flares up when it is experienced anew in the ‘foreground’.
One always knew what the-name-of-the-game was, but to have actual letters, instructions from the pope – I never knew this!
Thank goodness it is all out in the open! What a relief!

OMG how entirely different Greek/Eastern/old ways Russian Orthodox Church was.
Brings me to tears – it really does & how grateful I feel we had our time with them before the witch-hunters, the race hygienists bent on genocide came:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcLREBBc6cI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CphYX3TfS04

Interesting also how similar Navajo sounds to Alaskan languages, but of course – they belong to the same language group.

Did Navajo bring their “swastikas” from Alaska – I wonder?

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Indigenous peoples of the North, Siberia and Far East of the Russian Federation:
https://ansipra.npolar.no/image/Arctic05.jpg

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The Virus
By A Tribe Called Red

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=4_...CvVerbEoZGg9UY


ALie Nation
By A Tribe Called Red

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=1D...SGn zjiLaQVsH


Tryn Not tWo get CarryD aWaY! I MIGht fiGht todaY fouR PEacE tomMorRow.

I've enjoyed many videos from the link below.
Sacred Land Film Project

https://www.youtube.com/user/sacredlandfilm/videos

A good one.
David Swallow explain some about
Mitakuye Oyasin


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iHaeNGzYpw

That is a very interesting map.:smile:

It does always seem to be a sticking point.
How to heal the pains to move forward in a good way.
How does everyone get the same rights and freedoms
when the resources are still being fought over.
It is a hard road to follow, the Spiritual Road.
Though it is a good Road. :icon_rendeer:

According to some theorists Navajo language could potentially be related to Ket.

Podcast:
https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-05-...ncestor-navajo

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The story about ‘Oneness’, Interconnectedness … hence no-separate-self-identity is all over the place.

Navajo’s ‘Spider Woman’?

My other grandmother talked about ‘Spider Mother’ (the way we have a sentient/cognizant/energetic link to all that is, and through these links we can ‘ascend’ the 7 spiritual levels to the ‘Central Sun’ (another symbol for Axis Mundi).

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Similar message from 'Oz' Elders ... from Uncle Bob R.I.P.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0sWIVR1hXw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8zAh3irMYo

A message of all-inclusive-unconditional-love, Nonduality.
Unconditional love that just is, without there being a giver nor a receiver of it ...
Hence no posturing one’s self (image) as a ‘spiritual person’. That sort of con only works on ‘whites’, who insist and want to create, enable dual hierarchies.
Everybody is a unity of mundane and spiritual, realized or not (and on what 'level').

This land is mine – this land is me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qok6YM3E1z8

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Interesting.
1st language I guessed Aleut. From the Aleutian islands.
2nd language I guessed Dine'. (Ding, Ding, got it right bell).

Not that what I guessed matters, just having fun.:smile:

Who's to say the ket didn't come West from an Athabaskan tribe?(Or East)
I think the linguist is stretching it but maybe they will discover
other links.

Navajo’s ‘Spider Woman’?
Even Spider Woman has woven her way into the US gov's thinking.LOL


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1832128/


I have known people that work with Spider medicine.
I mainly know of Iktomi the trickster but Grandmother Spider
that has to do with Creation and the web of life I know only a little.
I regard Spider medicine as Big on the helper list.


I remember a Spider song in a yuwipi once it was a special special
experience, that allowed me to know connectedness and unconditional Love
like never before. These things are difficult to maintain in two worlds.
At least difficult for this two legged.

Axis mundi: the word is kinda new to me but the concept is very familiar.

http://faculty.humanities.uci.edu/tc.../axismundi.htm


I can hear Uncle Bob 'loud and clear' and I would say "Precisely said".
All my relatives.From the Fire,Rock,Water,Wind and the mole to the Eagle.
In the spirit of Mitakuye Oyasin.:smile:

That may very well be true. With those skin boats on ocean currents ancients travelled far and wide.

I am still 3% Chukchi/Koryak from around 4000 years ago, when they came to the land of proto-Saami and we well and truly mixed.
Must have been all that drumming and dancing and Fly Agaric, Chukchi are big on – leaving their legacy …

But you kind of have to see the Saami-Chukchi/Koryak distance on the map and only sea travel will answer the question "How come?":
https://ansipra.npolar.no/image/Arctic05.jpg

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From the link:
Yes. That is also the “Spider Mother”.

Within each confusing cobweb-like situation (the trick of appearances), one needs to find the ‘golden, sunray-like thread’ into clarity to transcend the situation.

But on the subject of Preventing Chronic Disease …

Do you celery?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z0lwdiL04E
I joined the celery juice experiment – heh.

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Again, from the link:
EXACTLY!


Yes, the same message.

He also says: “When you are in that space”

The very first time I saw Uncle Bob, was when he was peering into my eyes across the supermarket mall (in Alice) - with a big ear to ear smile.

I *shifted* into that space instantly.

From that shift, I also instantly knew him to be a “Spiritual Elder”, but that space centre viewpoint is egalitarian …. The hierarchy or ‘spiritualness’ is in the “space centre” itself which is above both of us, or above all.
It is both of us – yet neither of us (as such).

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And for some indigenous person – to make themselves to be the ‘mystery’ or something more ‘spiritual’ than ‘you’ … taking in donations and dishing out ‘blessings’ whatnot … that is a con.
But people believing in hierarchies buy into these cons hook, line and sinker and also insist on them.

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sentient
I do not celery.
I want to though and appreciate the info.

Humor coming.:biggrin:

[I started over there, visiting with my one legged mushroom relatives
and I ended up here, Go figure.
Let's Dance!]


[A bad divorce could explain it.
"I want you to go as far away as you can". "That way"!]

I was checking the below link out. Saw the pic with the swastika.(Pic. reminds me of Dine or Hopi.)
https://doowans.com/spider-medicine/



I do love studying the Spider and Spider Medicine.
The Spider has been one that has helped many times in life.
Much of the help is not clear at first. The Spider usually makes
you think long and hard about events or situations. Even then those
Spider tricks and riddles carry on teaching into other events and situations
and you learn to look at things differently. Not just at what might be apparent at the time.

I seen this one teaching on Spider that was beyond any teaching I ever heard.
It was on youtube and I took it with a grain of salt.
I will share it below. But it is long 1:30 hours.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYj-G6M8GBE

Now I assume the man is part of seminars or some type of pay to stay,
no free ride teachings.He seems to be linked up with this group
'star knowledge conference'. Which seems New age-gee.But he was spitting stuff I never heard before
that made my go back to listen to more to see if anything peeked my interest.
I don't want to judge the man, since I don't know him.

I don't have words, but a video that sticks in my Heart.(Connected)


9:30 mins.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=617kv7CM35c


Not just his words but the atmosphere too, as one.

I quite enjoyed this talk on Chukchi and the mushrooms:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41XcJVdhC2A
(The sound goes away in the beginning and from the middle - a few times, but comes back on ...)

Some youtubes credit the Santa/Shaman-mushroom connection/tradition to Saami, - which is true, but I think we got it from the pre-proto- (whatever the term - people - who later became known as) Chukchi/Koryak.

Also, I sometimes wonder if our 2 styles of 'joiking' (Karelian&Saami) started during that time period as well as I do not think our Euro ancestors - the Western Hunter Gatherers 'joiked'.
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/8b/6e/ef/8...82483d497a.jpg
Don't know.

Chukchi Songs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GgKQSN9atE

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I think I'm getting a better understanding of egalitarianism vs. hierarchy.
Also why you said something like indigenous elders are not hierarchical like the Pope.
I've seen you reference hierarchy a few times since I mentioned
Arvol was like the pope. I didn't give it much thought, sense I knew what
I meant. I am seeing clearer the difference between what I will put into my own way.

hierarchical= pyramid like with a leader on top of everyone else in their place.

vs.

egalitarianism= Circle like with a leader who has responsibility for the circle.
Remaining pliable but applies wisdom.

These 2 are pretty blurred nowadays and a person does need to be on the look out
for someone wanting to lord over you.

I have a Tlingit friend that knew I made fire and carried rocks for people he also knew.
They stayed at our place one time. He said "I need some yellow cedar to make a staff"
I could tell the staff would be for something important to him.
I told him that I would take him to the mountains about a 2 1/2 hr. drive and get him some from a Old growth
Grandfather yellow cedar that was at least 300 years old and it was already cut and seasoned.
We traded for it from another friend and returned home and once we did, he asked if I would carve it for him.
I told him I would consider it. He then said he wanted me to carve it and then come with him to a
neighboring Longhouse/Smokehouse and teach them people what was what.
I guess he was unhappy with them for some reason.
I then laughed and said "you can carve your own staff and take care of your own business" while still laughing.

At a later visit he tricked me, to journey to the mountains.He said to make fire and make some prayers.
Drink some coffee and sing some songs. We went and the truth was then told he wanted me to make
fire and heat up Grandfather Rocks to do purification lodge for several days in a row. 10 sweats in 10 days
is what we ended up doing.
I was not happy at first, especially since he didn't even have no coffee.LOL
Mainly just the trickery made me uneasy and not happy at first.
But my point is I felt as though he was trying to lord over me and there was never real agreement.
The lines were blurry. I have not made Fire or carried Rocks for him since and he has not asked.
egalitarianism vs. hierarchy maybe but blurry.

I miss him, for sure though since he's a Raven.

Arvol is at the center of a circle because he is caretaker of the White Buffalo Calf Pipe.
So he has Caretaker status and recognition, like that. He is no Pope, for sure. LOL
He is not His Holiness, though The Pipe is Holy.:icon_rendeer:

He is speaking the truth imho.

Within the language is the culture. The way in which we view the world and learn how to function within that worldview/order - finding our place in it.

Foreign language brings foreign reality orientation with it and dysfunctionality, because the old values and ‘beliefs’ contradict these new ones.

One of them is this egalitarian vs. hierarchical social order, the celebrated one-upmanship, they call freedom. In a tribal setting one has a collective identity. Individuality is very much celebrated, but only in the context of it belonging to the totality of the tribe.
Within that belonging to totality - is unconditional inclusiveness.
You don’t find it in this ‘foreign order’.

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Homecoming 5:53 mins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30oFy9bLnIs


Cultural appropriation????


:icon_frown:
Me thinks so.
Or
Something else....

Militarism and Native Lands 2:39 mins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8vBVdhEdi0


I can attest that this is true.
The reservation I live on has a military base adjacent to it.
We have fly overs,fly by's and ordinance being flung shot and or hurled.
We have drone overs and machine guns and artillery firing at all hours.
This is purposeful.IMO
A base to keep Natives to not wander 'Off Reservation' as the saying goes.
I could just say to keep thing in check.:wink:

Spiritual yearnings in the West 3:39 mins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH2tKUusg9g


I find the video so true.
How to keep sites Sacred????
Big question.

You can NOT keep a secret Sacred site Sacred if you divulge the secret I have found.
People love to try and take from the site.
They will even steal the prayer articles to have a piece of something Sacred.

Once there is theft how can that be Sacred any longer???????
It turns Good feeling into bad feelings and sadness. Why????


Do you know what I mean?? Have some respect, stay away.
from things that are not understood.My honest opinion.


I once knew of a site. It was Scared. Now they dug it up and sold off
all the crystals.Now it is just fragments scattered around. But people do not care.

There is a phrase I have heard floating around that speaks to what you have written.
It goes like this: "Too many Chiefs and not enough Indians".*.:biggrin:.*.

I came across something lovely, I’d like to share.

Imo. This relates to opening up, trusting and letting go into That Space of Totality – where Spider Mother has given us all a sentient connection to all that is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj6YVv1Uklg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkOwLDaMUX0

Depending on how one works this connection Spider Web can either ‘ascend’, lead one into Nonduality or ‘descend’, lead one into further illusions of duality.

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Deep nonthought listening (to the connection), works just as well on humans as it does on animals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr_wbGswbwI

‘Communion’ or connectedness can only work on equal (egalitarian) terms.

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Good source to listen to, thanks.

When a rock is said to be sacred – people want to climb it, abseil from it, leave their mark on top of it, take selfies next to it etc. etc. turning the site into an amusement park.

Everything but silencing down and listening to the land, the rock itself (or deeply listening one’s connection to/with it - what it might reveal).

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I had posted this before, but I'll add it here as well.

‘Listening to our souls overlap’:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5HcLFyPkYs

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Nice one.
It intrigued me to watch other videos on the Sami.:smile:


I've watched several now and will post some of the ones I like.
Seen one about 1890s Sami taking reindeer herd to Alaska to
help Alaskan Natives raise and herd them.
Their Sami ancestors are still living up there in Alaska.

sentient I really, really enjoyed these 2 videos
first one is about 6:30 mins. 2nd is almost 30 mins. long.


The Sami people (from "The Winds of the Milky Way", 1977)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myVHFeyWWM0


The wind is blowing through my heart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pINieDqXOvw

Alright then, I have enjoyed our communicating back and forth.
Thanks for putting up with me and my foolishness.:smile:


PS, I have seen the North star and I track the Big dipper
round about. Not sure if you can see it down under.
So just thought I would let you know it is still doing
what it does.

sentient
This Youtube channel has both part 1 & 2 of the videos
that talks of the 1890s when the Sami brought reindeer to Alaska
if you are interested.


https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuV...6b6faKnaSTzJVQ

Interesting video choice there ImthatIm.
I guess Nils-Aslak Valkeapää (translated “Whitehead”) coached/influenced people out of the shame (the way our parent’s generation generally never could come out of that trauma).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Efu-tnZt_mU

Also Interesting: “The Sun, My Father”
https://khio.no/system/images/W1siZi...1d/danbolt.jpg

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To my other grandmother, Sun was/is a Goddess (i.e. she) – who gave the Spider a thread so it can move between Earth and Sky/Heaven. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e0/fc...7b89c1bcb0.jpg


But then again, this other gran, - according to some Saami relatives - would have gotten her deity from the Komi/Udmurt reindeer herder ancestry who moved into Lapland and at one point married Saami.

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My nondual gran was related to a Valkeapää family, (& sounds like it is the same one) but she held the Eagle to be central to her worldview & not the Central Sun:
https://rgdn.info/assets/uploads/ima...os/4e29e-1.jpg

So many different local beliefs (even in one family) that one has to chase these around Fennoscandia & half across Siberia & beyond to know where they all came from …

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I had watched another youtube documentary about it, but this was interesting also.

Just one thing, that was such an 'odd note' ... weird ...
Part one 21:30 -21:57
.... and the Saami bloke didn't recognize moose antlers?!!!
Where is his identity - in his clothes?

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Yeah, I thought that was funny. Elk???? What????
At least they are young and learning.

I had seen something about a bigger Elk than the Moose.
The extinct Irish Elk.... Wow!


I do know many that have their identity in their regalia... Unfortunately.

Amazing historical and Spiritual depiction.

I remember you posted these before.
I like studying them more and more since they keep revealing
things I did not notice before. They remind me of nature,
the more you settle into it the more it reveals.

I am wondering if 1 c is depicting Thunderbirds on the sides??
If not thunderbirds then Goose or Crane becuase of the straight beeks?
Also I will guess 1c is depicting Badger or Wolverine on the bottom
but just guessing...
1 c The 5 skulls on top I would say it depicts the ancestors.
1 c It looks to me Thunderbird heads(4) that surround the central
main head with curved beeks????

I just noticed picture 2 there is a circle at the
anus of the horse. I would assume this is for the value of the use of the feces in fire and or fire keeping.

I could go on with these all day.
Amazing, Amazing. I love pictures and art.
I will let them rest and return to them later.

.............< 1 a >,.......................< 1 b >........................< 1 c >


........................................< 2 >...........................................

Yeah, I thought that was good.
But then I started thinking … “The Sun, My Father” ?

Hang on … but “Beaivi” (Day, daylight, sun, sunlight) … is a female name.
Which doesn’t mean that some Saami could not have regarded the Central Sun as a Father … instead of a Mother … (I just took it for granted that the Sun is female).

This provided the answer:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaivi

Since the Drum is a cognitive map – for me the Centre is the World Pole (nailed in Pole Star) with the Eagle on top. But for Saami it is the Central Sun. In practice though it mounts to the same thing.

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Cool, stumbled on this pdf book of info, while looking for sami symbol meanings.
I wonder how accurate it is???
Written by Asian about Sami. He was curious about any cross-cultural
similarities.



https://heesooklee-niinioja.weebly.c...sami_drums.pdf