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traceyacey12 22-09-2022 02:54 AM

Can you reside in non-duality and duality at the same time?
 
Ok so please forgive me if this doesn't make sense or is not the most eloquent post as I am new to non-duality, but here it goes:

Is it possible to engage in duality (generally worldly affairs and stuff of the ego) and at the same time be as firmly planted as possible as a human in non-duality? And reap the benefits of the non-dual orientation, such as peace and I guess manifestation?

Thanks in advance for your help :smile:

Geeta 22-09-2022 03:54 PM

Yes in Vedanta philosophy it is known as 'jīvanmukta' - liberation while living. Being fully aware of the non duality while living in duality.


iamthat 22-09-2022 05:03 PM

Yes, the Self-realised jivanmukta rests in the non-duality of formless Being while engaged with the apparent duality of form.

As long as we inhabit the physical body in the worlds of form we have no choice except to engage with duality and limitation. But even while engaged in mundane activities our direct perception is that there is limitless unchanging formless Being pervading all form.

This perception is not an intellectual understanding, it is simply our known reality within which all experience takes place. So all movement occurs in stillness, all action occurs in inaction, the apparent ten thousand things all manifest within the One thing everywhere.

As it says in the Bhagavad Gita, the person who sees action in inaction and inaction in action is truly a sage.

Peace

Miss Hepburn 22-09-2022 07:38 PM

I wish this was in the Hindi section.

JustASimpleGuy 22-09-2022 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn
I wish this was in the Hindi section.

Actually it makes more sense here as non-duality crosses traditions (Hinduism, Buddhism, Sufism, Christian Mysticism, etc...) and there are far more non-non-dual and qualified monism Hindu traditions.

EDIT: iamthat is correct and that's what Rupert Spira labels Lucid Waking.

Quote:

Originally Posted by iamthat
Yes, the Self-realised jivanmukta rests in the non-duality of formless Being while engaged with the apparent duality of form.


Geeta 22-09-2022 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy
EDIT: iamthat is correct and that's what Rupert Spira labels Lucid Waking.


Interesting! I have never read Rupert Spira till now but some of my friends are of the opinion that Rupert's views are quite different than the Advaita Vedanta's teachings.


JustASimpleGuy 22-09-2022 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Geeta
Interesting! I have never read Rupert Spira till now but some of my friends are of the opinion that Rupert's views are quite different than the Advaita Vedanta's teachings.

When I first heard of Rupert I thought that might be the case too, until I listened to some of his material. https://youtu.be/YhYKqblybXs?t=125

Nondual Consciousness: A Dialogue between Rupert Spira and Swami Sarvapriyananda

Geeta 22-09-2022 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy
When I first heard of Rupert I thought that might be the case too, until I listened to some of his material. https://youtu.be/YhYKqblybXs?t=125

Nondual Consciousness: A Dialogue between Rupert Spira and Swami Sarvapriyananda


Ah alright! I will check the youtube link, thanks for sharing!


Miss Hepburn 23-09-2022 12:00 AM

Too many Hindi or Sanskrit words for me.
I'm into just saying it in English...liberation, freedom!
If it was said in Spanish first with, an English word ...I would not like that either. This is an English speaking Forum.

Very young people read here...they have no clue what Vedas are.
Christian, Western people may have had moments of Non-duality ----thinking what the heck are all these foreign words?

This is why I say Hindi Section. Seems many are so caught up in their Hindu or Vedic studies they don't realize ---
1. they are not needed
2. not many are familiar with them

It is, tho, much appreciated definitions are said along with the foreign words.

Geeta 23-09-2022 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn
I wish this was in the Hindi section.

'jīvanmukta' is kind of more known concept for me but as Justasimpleguy said the non-duality crosses traditions and I will be delighted to know equivalent of jīvanmukta from other tradtions as well :smile:



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