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Shivani Devi 21-10-2018 04:45 AM

What should we do to reach the spiritual world?

Sit down quietly, focus on the breath and slow down our thoughts. If anything arises within, let it all go with peace and love.

If certain mystical visions, lights and 'spiritual experiences' are to be had, let them all go with peace and love too, saying "Neti Neti" (this isn't significant).

*and I would much prefer the shruti texts over the smriti texts any day of the week, Pundit Verma* :wink: :tongue: :D

Knowledge can only take us so far though, because Brahman is unknowable and that is the true Jnana or Gnosis of the Vedas.

The spiritual world is reached through the heart and through love, devotion, surrender and compassion and no matter what faith or creed is involved, that applies.

As for the Spiritual World itself...there are many 'Spiritual Worlds'...'Bhur'...'Bhuvah'...'Swah'...'Jana'...'T apa'...'Kailash'...'Vaikunth'...

I like to associate all those with the etheric astral planes in the Pranamaya Kosha (Astral Body)...a.k.a The Chakras and not with any 'place out there' in our 3D physicality whatsoever.

This is basically what the Gayatri Mantra means.

Maybe the Gods still live among the stars, who knows? (I have read parts of the 21st Century Bhagavad Gita)...but I pretty much stick to my Shaivite roots out of habit now.

OPVerma 21-10-2018 08:33 AM

It is stupidity to hold personal views on science subjects.
 
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Originally Posted by Unseeking Seeker
In my view, to ascend, evolve, any path is fine as long as we endeavour to get to the roots. Choose Bhakti/prayer, meditation or selfless service, as of inclination, it does not matter.

Our choice, zeal, fervour is the key, the Universe does the rest. Automatically.

Peace


Personal views doesn't matter. It is stupidity to hold personal views on science subjects. What is your view on gravity?

If it were automatic, God Krishna would't have to tell it in about two chapters in the battle field.

OPVerma 21-10-2018 09:23 AM

krama mukti
 
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Originally Posted by Shivani Devi
What should we do to reach the spiritual world?

Sit down quietly, focus on the breath and slow down our thoughts. If anything arises within, let it all go with peace and love.

If certain mystical visions, lights and 'spiritual experiences' are to be had, let them all go with peace and love too, saying "Neti Neti" (this isn't significant).

*and I would much prefer the shruti texts over the smriti texts any day of the week, Pundit Verma* :wink: :tongue: :D

Knowledge can only take us so far though, because Brahman is unknowable and that is the true Jnana or Gnosis of the Vedas.

The spiritual world is reached through the heart and through love, devotion, surrender and compassion and no matter what faith or creed is involved, that applies.

As for the Spiritual World itself...there are many 'Spiritual Worlds'...'Bhur'...'Bhuvah'...'Swah'...'Jana'...'T apa'...'Kailash'...'Vaikunth'...

I like to associate all those with the etheric astral planes in the Pranamaya Kosha (Astral Body)...a.k.a The Chakras and not with any 'place out there' in our 3D physicality whatsoever.

This is basically what the Gayatri Mantra means.

Maybe the Gods still live among the stars, who knows? (I have read parts of the 21st Century Bhagavad Gita)...but I pretty much stick to my Shaivite roots out of habit now.


Bhagavad Gita rates meditation process of attaining liberation very high. With this process one can reach up to jana tapa and satya or Brahmn loka that are within the material world or this universe. For reaching there you have to leave your breath in a particular auspicious time and call some of your precede-rs to lead you there. one has to wait there Till the end of the Universe (Great god no,1) , when gg1 merges into great god no2 and so on till you reach to the intermediate spiritual world vaikuntha or shivaloka. this gradual process called as krama mukti is also given in bhagavad gita.

however when one prays to gg 1-4, he is allowed trace-passing, and provided with escort to reach to the spiritual world directly.







































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Baile 21-10-2018 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Kioma
I don't think the 'goal' is to 'reach the spiritual world' at all - but rather to facilitate the spiritual world reaching the physical world.

Spiritual Science would confirm that I think... the idea that cosmic forces are now permeating and spiritualizing the earth/material plane. Material existence is "ghosting" one could say, becoming less dense and more etheric. I'd suggest that's one explanation why humanity as a collective seems to be ungrounded like never before. As the earth sphere etherizes, we do as well.

Baile 21-10-2018 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by OPVerma
Personal views doesn't matter. It is stupidity to hold personal views on science subjects.

I replied and gave you the opportunity to dialogue, and add something affirmative, positive and constructive. You instead chose to continue arguing with people while pushing your religion in this rather ugly manner. Seems that's your only interest here. Too bad.

Shivani Devi 21-10-2018 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Baile
I replied and gave you the opportuinty to dialogue, and add something affirmative, positive and constructive. You instead chose to continue arguing with people while pushing your religion in this rather ugly manner. Seems that's your only interest here. Too bad.

Thing is Baile, he isn't even 'pushing his religion' just 'pushing his opinion' because I belong to the same religion.

This was the point I was trying to make in my previous post that just went over everybody's head.

Baile 21-10-2018 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Shivani Devi
Thing is Baile, he isn't even 'pushing his religion' just 'pushing his opinion' because I belong to the same religion.

Okay that was harsh, sorry.

Greenslade 21-10-2018 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by OPVerma
WE ON SF DISCUSS VARIOUS SUBJECT and hope to reach to the spiritual world by doing so automatically. It is like hoping to become a Harvard professor just by discussion and without any degree and knowledge. For going to the spiritual world we need preparation and fulfill the following requirements.

Alan Watts said that if we are Spiritual, we are gods playing at being not gods. If there are requirements, who sets them? Are they yours or a non-existence entity/God that sets the rules or do they come from the mind that labels itself spiritual and not from Spirit itself?

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Originally Posted by OPVerma
1. QUALIFICATION ; Besides practicing some standard form of yoga to burn negative karma, one must be a noble and virtuous person like RAMA. Spiritual World is a classy place and village bums are not admitted there.

So-called 'negative karma' is entirely subjective and is based on victim mentality with underlying tones of revenge. Allegedly we are here to learn the lessons but it seems the people who can teach us the best lessons and therefore Christ Conciousness incur negative karmic wrath. I don'y know where virtue sits in that respect. Tolle said that there is only the Now, the past is memory and the future is anticipation so karma isn't karma. In the original Sanskrit translation 'karma' simply meant 'action', later it was changed to 'cause and effect' and currently it's being confused with kamma-vipaka.


If it wasn't for those 'village bums' (which is judgement and self righteous, and lacking in the virtue of modesty) there would be no 'classy'. Those 'village bums' are village bums because they as Spirit have chosen that for their Spiritual Development, therefore their Paths are Divine Will in action. 'Classy only exists in relationship to 'village bums'.


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Originally Posted by OPVerma
2. KNOWLEDGE OF THE ROUTE ; Bhagavad Gita describes 8;23-27 Archi route to the spiritual world that requires the knowledge of sun moon and earth's movements and their alignment for reaching to the center of Galaxy and from there to the spiritual world. A diagram and road map is given in the '21st CENTURY BHAGAVAD GITA.

To Spirit everywhere IS and there is no separation, no 'here' nor 'there' and therefore no 'route'.

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Originally Posted by OPVerma
3. ACQUIRING VISA One must regularly pray to the 4Great gods for taking them to the spiritual world and tell family members to utter in ears the mantra given in BG ;7.30 in your ears on the death bed.

As Spirit we already know the way 'Home'.

OPVerma 21-10-2018 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Greenslade
Alan Watts said that if we are Spiritual, we are gods playing at being not gods. If there are requirements, who sets them? Are they yours or a non-existence entity/God that sets the rules or do they come from the mind that labels itself spiritual and not from Spirit itself?

So-called 'negative karma' is entirely subjective and is based on victim mentality with underlying tones of revenge. Allegedly we are here to learn the lessons but it seems the people who can teach us the best lessons and therefore Christ Conciousness incur negative karmic wrath. I don'y know where virtue sits in that respect. Tolle said that there is only the Now, the past is memory and the future is anticipation so karma isn't karma. In the original Sanskrit translation 'karma' simply meant 'action', later it was changed to 'cause and effect' and currently it's being confused with kamma-vipaka.


If it wasn't for those 'village bums' (which is judgement and self righteous, and lacking in the virtue of modesty) there would be no 'classy'. Those 'village bums' are village bums because they as Spirit have chosen that for their Spiritual Development, therefore their Paths are Divine Will in action. 'Classy only exists in relationship to 'village bums'.


To Spirit everywhere IS and there is no separation, no 'here' nor 'there' and therefore no 'route'.

As Spirit we already know the way 'Home'.



if you know the way to home then tell us the route .

in bg, krishna has referred 'village bums' as 'wicked'. i think the word used by me is modest.

Greenslade 21-10-2018 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by OPVerma
if you know the way to home then tell us the route .

in bg, krishna has referred 'village bums' as 'wicked'. i think the word used by me is modest.

Turn left at Mars, straight on past Alpha Centauri then have a comfort break in Lyra, tell them I sent you and you'll get a free coffee. Or you could come to the realisation that you're already Home and you've never been anywhere else. As a consolation prize you can stop thinking your not at Home.


Isn't modest judgement a contradiction in terms?


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