Originally Posted by Kalika

And if they don't awaken, what will that mean?

Originally Posted by inavalan

You project your beliefs on others. It is my experience, and belief, that you can't change others. My opinion: don't worry about them. Also, as you believe in unconditional love, that means that you love then as they are. Let them be.

Originally Posted by Kalika

Hello :]

I'm hoping what I'm about to ask doesn't come across as a strange question.

Background: abusive childhood, spiritual growth (and growing), forgiveness, all is well.

Except, the emotional abusers (x 2) appear to be unaware/stuck spiritually (unenlightened). And my question is, is it possible to help someone else grow? Although reluctant to use labels, if you picture a person with a narcissistic personality disorder (describes both) and one is physically unwell (elderly), and age hasn't softened them, is it possible to encourage/support a snippet of enlightenment or spiritual development before they go?

I'm not expecting them t1o say they were sorry since I've let go of all expectations though it would be nice to know they pass over with a sense of unconditional love in their hearts and a healed healthier soul. In short, I see their pained inner child who never knew what it meant to feel and express unconditional love (hence why they parented the way they did).

And if they don't awaken, what will that mean?

Thank you in advance.

Originally Posted by inavalan

You project your beliefs on others. It is my experience, and belief, that you can't change others. My opinion: don't worry about them. Also, as you believe in unconditional love, that means that you love then as they are. Let them be.

Originally Posted by wstein

Yes, you can help someone who is already doing the work towards spiritual growth. If they are not making an effort, you can't do much other than accept that they are as they are (a bit of compassion is also possible). You don't say but it sounds like they are not making an effort.

If they don't awaken in this lifetime, it means they don't awaken in this lifetime. It also means its up to you to accept they are not going to change even for their own good.

Originally Posted by Greenslade

In terms of Spiritual enlightenment, how does what happened affect yours? Would you have learned forgiveness if they hadn't been the way they were? And I'm talking from the perspective of someone who was abused as a child myself. What of Life's Purpose/Karmic Obligations? Is this scenario something you agree to as Spirit? Are they merely playing their part in your Spiritual growth and they are the people they are to facilitate that?

Originally Posted by Kalika

Good questions.
How does it all pan out? The bigger picture? I mean, why me? Why any child who suffers at the hands of their abusers? To learn a lesson? So bizarre don't you think? And what happens to those who choose to end their life because of the lesson that was meant for them?
It doesn't make sense to me.

I'm glad I've learned to forgive. It pains me to think of others in the same situation.

There is still so much spiritual growth ahead of me. I'm not sure I'll ever be comfortable with child abuse being a spiritual life lesson for the abused.