Would spirituality exist if people were to be killed if they talked about it?
Would spirituality exist if people were to be killed if they talked about it?
I know, a weird question. I'm just trying to see if spirituality only exists because we allow it, if practicing it would lead to a good experience. Thanks a lot for your help :) |
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And of course there were a lot of people 'persecuted' in various ways in the name of following the judaeo-christian god... but that didn't stop such people either. From what I can tell there were probably others who went down this road even though they had great fear for their own lives and maybe noone they could share with. Those of us who can take advantage of what is happening today are relatively lucky, with things opening up as they are... |
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Secondarily those who identify more as spiritual rather than religious quite often take a purely person journey (like I did for decades). As such there would be no need to talk to anyone about it. Quote:
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Hey, thanks for the reply. What I mean by the last part is if we only get spiritual experiences if its not going to lead to death or some other bad outcome |
Yes, but there would be less to no vocabulary about it, there would be no structure and no institution.
It would be a bit like animals with a spiritual experience? |
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If Spirituality didn't exist because nobody believed in it, what does that say about our Spirituality? If we are indeed "Spiritual Beings on a human Journey" etc, does that mean Spirituality exists anyway? If it does, does that make Spirituality a 'thing' and therefore it doesn't exist? Or do we make a 'thing' out of Spirituality? |
Spirituality has, and always will, exist.We have only become aware of it with time.:smile:
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Depends upon how one views “spirituality” and ,as I see it, the social structures in place. I feel for the most part it is personal and private. Meaning, if the trust and feeling of openness is there, then it is more spoken about. If not, it is kept to oneself or group. Feel it is not so much what one says as it is how one lives. Whether one will get killed over it seems more a control of power thing then it is “spiritual” thing, IMO. “Spirituality” seems to have and continue to exist regardless. |
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I guess you mean it as "a test of one's beliefs" ... I think that there are several ways to look at it. Spirituality doesn't imply that you have to talk about it. You don't have to proselytize it. If people thought twice before opening their mouths to talk, or start typing their opinions, that might actually be of benefit both to themselves and to society. People get easily carried away and embrace opinions and hypotheses as truths. Later, when proven incorrect they as easily forget their part in disseminating falsehood. In spiritual matters, I believe that everyone should trust and follow only their own inner guidance, and not gurus and dogmas, so although it is it good to share your beliefs, that should be taken further into arguments, bullying, pressure on others. |
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As a concept? No. As how we describe the experience now? Yes. Like how the world continues to exist without people and on a smaller scale, without a specific individual. |
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These people are still spiritual beings experiencing physical existence through the human form. The fact that they are so fully identified with the physical form does not negate their spiritual nature. Peace |
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utopia |
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No it's probably not possible but the idea is an opportunity to explore, I think. Does Spirituality exist in its own right, or does it exist because we believe in it? |
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I would agree with Iamthat
Namaste |
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Spirituality and schizophrenia light up the same areas of the brain, and it's only because of the way the brain is 'constructed' that we can process the abstract 'Spiritual' thoughts. Some people are not 'Spiritual' by choice they are not 'Spiritual' because their brains simply can't process it. Most people have something they can't process. My question is how much of Spirituality is human after all? And beyond beliefs and all the rest of it, how Spiritual is being human? |
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You can't see gas or oxygen, but it's there:biggrin:
PS, I've reincarnated as a newbie.:laugh: |
Yes, because even if one doubts things or get puts into fearful situations, awareness is present
As long as there's awareness, there's no escaping the awareness towards the existence of spirituality |
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Your reality is defined by your perception, your perceptions are defined by your beliefs and your beliefs are defined by your definitions. Does the definition of 'Spirituality' exist in your reality or does Spirituality itself exist? In Spirituality, Spirituality is an 'invented thing'. If you didn't have the word 'Spiritual' in your vocabulary, what then? |
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I think it is right, we would believe in it, so both happen. So I say it is not an or but would say and. It is my belief even if I hadn't had the experience I think I would believe in it. The reason is in psychology. This is what amazes me though. What if our ancestors were born with the same knowledge (and words) we have today and how belief would be. We still hold onto ideas thousands of years old and we think we can give up recent ideas, even reimage them. Based on the mind we cannot not believe what we start.:wink: I think both happen at the same time. We are unwilling to give idea we create. |
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While I quite agree with you, Spirituality is a belief system so no beliefs no Spirituality? You said "I think I would believe in it" but what is that 'it'? That's the question. Is Spirituality an 'it' to believe in? If you'd never heard the word would you still be 'Spiritual'? What we don't realise is that many of the beliefs we have today are the same as the beliefs our ancestors had from back to the cavemen days. Our ancestors believed something made the sun travel across the sky and today we have God. Isn't all we do is put different clothes on the same basic beliefs? |
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On a forum such as this all we can do is share ideas and perspectives. These are products of the mind. Everyone has their own perspective, hence all the agreements and disagreements. Our experienced states of consciousness cannot be shared with others, and they do not depend on ideas and beliefs. Spirituality is a convenient label which we can apply to these states of consciousness, but such states of consciousness cannot be defined by labels. Peace |
There is the 'experience' of what we think spirituality is, and there is the concepts/words etc. that are needed to talk about it here. This is how religions are created over time. We become more concerned with structure and formality. 'Spirituality' as we talk about it would indeed not exist without human agents. At the same time, 'it' can exist regardless of those same humans. To suggest otherwise would (I think) be solipsism.
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As long as there's love for spirituality.
Spirituality will be around for as long as it's loved and that could be a while. utopia |
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Yes as I say spirituality is beyond both word and thought. |
Excellent post pixiedust.:thumbsup:
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What does your last sentence mean? To the rest, you have a (good) point. Can you elaborate on "what will happen is also what we want." |
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But if I do not want then won't that be what I make happen. I make it happen. No person can know the unknown I am aware of that and agree. But I think limited knowledge and spiritual knowledge exist now which is not beyond now that lead us to unknown. We are to find out. Lessons. For me, I always try to be in now which is known. My focus is on limited knowledge now which I do. |
Thanks lemex.
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I personally believe that is one of the reasons secret societies exist.. To keep them from being targeted and also to keep there practices closed to outsiders. |
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Your perceptions are defined by your perceptions, your perceptions are defined by your beliefs and your beliefs are defined by your definitions. So when you start a thread that asks "What is Spirituality?" what comes out is people's personal definitions. In Spirituality, neither of those are real. |
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