Yes as I say spirituality is beyond both word and thought.

Excellent post pixiedust.:thumbsup:

Yes, but also remember, what we tell ourselves and think is the reality we make. We create this our own reality. What will happen is also what we want. There are others here who seem to know, aren't there?.

What does your last sentence mean?

To the rest, you have a (good) point. Can you elaborate on "what will happen is also what we want."

I would mean teacher level or being advanced that some appear to be at. A lot of time I go with my intuition and heart which I think knows more then I.

But if I do not want then won't that be what I make happen. I make it happen. No person can know the unknown I am aware of that and agree. But I think limited knowledge and spiritual knowledge exist now which is not beyond now that lead us to unknown. We are to find out. Lessons. For me, I always try to be in now which is known. My focus is on limited knowledge now which I do.

Thanks lemex.

I personally believe that is one of the reasons secret societies exist.. To keep them from being targeted and also to keep there practices closed to outsiders.

Thank you, but I've already figured that out.

Way back in history they had the punishing God/gods and today we have 'negative' karma, sometimes it's mentality not Spirituality.

Then 'it' becomes an entity in its own right, it becomes a 'thing', form, an 'object' of consciousness.

Your perceptions are defined by your perceptions, your perceptions are defined by your beliefs and your beliefs are defined by your definitions. So when you start a thread that asks "What is Spirituality?" what comes out is people's personal definitions.

In Spirituality, neither of those are real.